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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Brax wasn't there for "Tat-gate" He came in in 2011
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"And I can understand why. He was looking at a team minus its best running back, best receiver, and QB. He had to also be looking at the bench and seeing an untried freshman, Braxton Miller, and Joe "Shot Pattern" Bauserman."

Exactly - non-red shirt freshman Braxton Miller, Bauserman, and no Tyrrell Pryor. When Tressel had to make the decision to lie or not lie he knew what he faced.
 
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cincibuck said:
"And I can understand why. He was looking at a team minus its best running back, best receiver, and QB. He had to also be looking at the bench and seeing an untried freshman, Braxton Miller, and Joe "Shot Pattern" Bauserman."

Exactly - non-red shirt freshman Braxton Miller, Bauserman, and no Tyrrell Pryor. When Tressel had to make the decision to lie or not lie he knew what he faced.
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Braxton was a true freshman the year after that happened. In 2011, Braxton DID start as a true freshman because tat gate had happened the previous year
 
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cincibuck said:
Not disputing this. BUT Tressel knew what he had for waiting for the 2011 season - an untried freshman and Bauserman. That's my point.
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But the choice he made, for which he and the university were sanctioned was in 2010.

Before 2010 season: Ohio State players trade their property for tattoos, a violation against the NIL clause of the improper benefits rules.

Later, but still before 2010 season: Tressel finds out

Still before 2010 season: Tressel lies to ncaa about what he knows, choosing Pryor as a starter. Braxton Miller is still in high school and is not an option.

After 2010 season: NCAA finds out. The tat-5 are declared ineligible for the 2011 season. Their status causes all 2010 victories to be vacated.

2011 season: With Terrelle Pryor et al no longer on the team, true freshman Braxton Miller starts
 
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DaddyBigBucks said:
But the choice he made, for which he and the university were sanctioned was in 2010.

Before 2010 season: Ohio State players trade their property for tattoos, a violation against the NIL clause of the improper benefits rules.

Later, but still before 2010 season: Tressel finds out

Still before 2010 season: Tressel lies to ncaa about what he knows, choosing Pryor as a starter. Braxton Miller is still in high school and is not an option.

After 2010 season: NCAA finds out. The tat-5 are declared ineligible for the 2011 season. Their status causes all 2010 victories to be vacated.

2011 season: With Terrelle Pryor et al no longer on the team, true freshman Braxton Miller starts
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I understand what Cincy is trying to say, so I looked up when Brax actually committed to the Bucks. It was June 3rd 2010. So Tress probably DID assume Miller was waiting in the wings when everything went down.
 
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gmen6981 said:
I understand what Cincy is trying to say, so I looked up when Brax actually committed to the Bucks. It was June 3rd 2010. So Tress probably DID assume Miller was waiting in the wings when everything went down.
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And my guess is that Tress also realized Miller had not practiced, much less played a down as a Buckeye. Great promise, but no assurance, kind of like "Shoelace" up north. Who knew what he'd do once the ball was snapped in a college game. And so that left Bauserman. Would you want to enter a season in the Big 10 knowing that Bauserman was going to be your QB? Me neither; nor did Tress.
 
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DaddyBigBucks said:
Ok, now I’m confused

did tress lie so as not to have to start Miller?

no, because Miller was still in high school the season AFTER tress lied

what am I missing?
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It was during the summer of 2010 when the "tatgate" events took place. When Tress lied, it was on the statement every team sends to the NCAA saying they were not aware of any violations. That statement was sent before the beginning of the 2010 season. The Bucks played the 2010 season with players who should not have been eligible. It was AFTER the 2010 regular season, and before the Bowl Game when everything came to light. Tress was fired in the spring of 2011 ( he actually coached the 2011 spring game). Braxton committed in the summer of 2010, BEFORE the season began but didn't enter school until the following year. When everything happened and Tress lied to the NCAA, he was already aware that Braxton would be there for the 2011 season. At the same time, if the "scandal" didn't happen, Pryor would have been the QB in 2011. The question posed is whether the knowledge of Pryor's involvement and the fact that Miller would be there in 2011 affected Tress's decision making. Just remember, although the Bucks were penalized because of the 2010 season after the fact ( when Miller was still in High School but already committed to OSU) nothing became public until AFTER the season. In other words, when Tressel lied to the NCAA prior to the 2010 season, Tress knew Braxton was already committed and would be there for 2011 if Pryor got caught up in the scandal.
 
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gmen6981 said:
It was during the summer of 2010 when the "tatgate" events took place. When Tress lied, it was on the statement every team sends to the NCAA saying they were not aware of any violations. That statement was sent before the beginning of the 2010 season. The Bucks played the 2010 season with players who should not have been eligible. It was AFTER the 2010 regular season, and before the Bowl Game when everything came to light. Tress was fired in the spring of 2011 ( he actually coached the 2011 spring game). Braxton committed in the summer of 2010, BEFORE the season began but didn't enter school until the following year. When everything happened and Tress lied to the NCAA, he was already aware that Braxton would be there for the 2011 season. At the same time, if the "scandal" didn't happen, Pryor would have been the QB in 2011. The question posed is whether the knowledge of Pryor's involvement and the fact that Miller would be there in 2011 affected Tress's decision making. Just remember, although the Bucks were penalized because of the 2010 season after the fact ( when Miller was still in High School but already committed to OSU) nothing became public until AFTER the season. In other words, when Tressel lied to the NCAA prior to the 2010 season, Tress knew Braxton was already committed and would be there for 2011 if Pryor got caught up in the scandal.
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I agree with all of that

But the final line seems to imply that Tress was thinking about the 2011 season when he lied. I seriously doubt that. If he had done what ncaa rules required of him at the time, he would have had to choose between Bauserman and freshman Kenny Guiton. It was this choice that Tress was avoiding. I don’t think 2011 had anything to do with it.
 
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DaddyBigBucks said:
I agree with all of that

But the final line seems to imply that Tress was thinking about the 2011 season when he lied. I seriously doubt that. If he had done what ncaa rules required of him at the time, he would have had to choose between Bauserman and freshman Kenny Guiton. It was this choice that Tress was avoiding. I don’t think 2011 had anything to do with it.
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I don't disagree with that at all. I was just trying to get the timeline straight.
 
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