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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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bukIpower said:
Knowing Barkley was there to return kicks, his long TD vs IU, and I think we were just straight up retarded for trying to kick off to him to start with. Yeah he earned it but that should have been avoided.
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Easy to say in hindsight. Kicking away from him would/could have been interpreted as being afraid of Barkley and that hasn't exactly been a staple of Urban's methodology throughout his career. Of course, giving them a slight psychological advantage to start the game would have been light years ahead of what actually happened.....
 
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AJHawkfan said:
Easy to say in hindsight. Kicking away from him would/could have been interpreted as being afraid of Barkley and that hasn't exactly been a staple of Urban's methodology throughout his career. Of course, giving them a slight psychological advantage to start the game would have been light years ahead of what actually happened.....
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lol I get you I really do... I just find it funny if you really think about what you're saying (even though you're right).

It'd be like me saying... "Boy that Tiger terrifies me, but I have to show no fear so I'm going to hop into this exhibit" lol

I love UFM but a weakness of his is his Pride. I think its hard for him to admit what he believes in isn't working but normally he comes around after getting burned a few too many times.

Hopefully this was "too many" or we may have to have a last straw yet
 
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shiloh said:
Sorry, should have been more specific as I meant all (8) games so far. Yea, know he did squat in the 4th against the Buckeyes as has been gloriously pointed out here and elsewhere. :nod:
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I thought that might have been what you meant... was hoping not, because it is more research, but.. I was curious and had some time:

Against Akron - a 52-0 blow out - he did not register any carries, receptions or returns. I am sure he was not on the field at all at that point
Against Pitt - Barkley had 2 carries for zero yards (-5, 5), 2 Receptions for -1 yard (3, -4) and KO returns of 18 and 32 yards
Against Georgia State - another laugher at 56-0 - Barkley recorded no fourth quarter statistics from his spot on the bench
In the 21-19 win over Iowa, Barkley had 7 carries for 28 yards (0, 9, 0, 7, 1, 4, 7) 5 receptions for 47 yards (10, 15, 0, 8, 14) and a 11 yard return
In the 45-14 win against Indiana Barkley carried 4 times for 15 yards (8, 3, 4, 0) was targeted twice in the passing game resulting in 1 reception for 9 yards and had no return yards
Against Northwestern (win, 31-7) Barkley ran twice for 17 yards (5, 12) and was targeted once but the pass was incomplete. He had no return yards, but was pulled from the game after the first series in the 4th up 31-0
Against the hapless scUM vulvarines, Barkley had one carry for -3 and 1 reception for 42 yards and a score. He was pulled for the last series and did not have any return yards
And, again, against Ohio State Barkley ran for -8 yards on 6 carries (-7, 6, -3, -7, -2, 5), 2 targets in the pass game for 1 rec and no yards along with 8 return yards

Thus, the grand total of production from Barkley in the 4th Q this seasons is.....

22 carries for 49 yards (having lost yards on 5 of his last 7 carries, I might add)
10 receptions on 13 targets for 97 yards and a score (Long: 42)
4 KO returns for 69 yards

36 touches for 215 yards and a score

To his credit, against Iowa he had his best 4th Q performance, in a very tight game
To his detriment, however, he had his worst performance in his game against Ohio State as already discussed.
 
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bukIpower said:
Hopefully this was "too many" or we may have to have a last straw yet
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Judging by Urban's reaction immediately following the TD return, I would say he may have come around to all of our line of thinking and agrees that enough is enough. It's almost as if the kids on kick cover had been told all week about how important it was to not let Barkley get loose and 8 seconds into the game, we're down 7-0 and Meyer standing there looking like "you had ONE job!!"......
 
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OSU's win was a fluke and PSU should get in ahead of the bucks...
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/osu-win-flukey.189930/

If 2016 taught us anything, it's that PSU will go to the Playoff if they win out.

OSU had an embarrassing loss to OK at home and then beat #2 PSU at home on a fluke. It took a blocked punt and Barrett channeling John Elway in the 4th qtr. Barrett played out of his mind and will never repeat that again. He just doesn't pass the "look test" as a QB.

If PSU wins out, the committee must rank PSU ahead of OSU in playoff consideration.
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I too tire of hearing about our "fluke" win last year. Every osu fan describes last years loss as a fluke due to a blocked kick....so I guess using their logic this must also be a FLUKE win, by only one point. Checkmate.
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To be clear, the post is a TIC indictment of the selection committee.
In 2016 PSU had an early non-conference loss by 3, and a bad conference loss, with largely a new staff, new QB, and 14th youngest team in FBS. They won the head to head and conference championship. PSU clearly deserved it more than OSU. You had to conduct mental gymnastics to get to a preferred end point to select OSU ahead of PSU last year. The 2 loss argument was BS, given the facts of the team, the timing of the losses and the committee's charge to frankly overlook results on the field and choose who they determine to be the best team. They ignored OSU's negative on-field results and emphasized PSU's b/c it justified a preferred position.

Same goes for this year. OSU beat PSU by one at home. If they win out, they should go ahead of PSU.

But I only ask for consistency. OSU got ROUTED by OK at home. PSU lost by 1 to OSU on the road on a fluke - (blocked punt and Barrett). It is commonly said that home field is about a 6-7 point advantage, so on a neutral field, PSU is the better team.
If the committee wants to remain consistent in applying their standards and logic, if both PSU and OSU win out, they must select PSU ahead of OSU for the playoff.
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Sgt Brutus said:
OSU's win was a fluke and PSU should get in ahead of the bucks...
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The 2 loss argument was BS, given the facts of the team, the timing of the losses and the committee's charge to frankly overlook results on the field and choose who they determine to be the best team.
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I like their logic. In fact, this year, the committee should probably take a closer look at some of the deserving four- and five-loss teams. I'm sure they all have a rack full of excuses, too.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
It's been a year, and nobody explained to them that blocking the kick wasn't the flukey part of their win last year?

I don't know if I could go an entire day pretending to be as dumb as they are. I'd eventually walk into oncoming traffic or walk off a cliff.
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It takes a different kind of animal to convince yourself that certain things aren't fluky.

they'll just never get it so I'm done trying to yell about how dumb they are. They won't get to the playoffs and provided we take care of business won't win the big ten this year which is good enough for me.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Yeah, winning when you have almost twice as much total offense is fluky....
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But the KO return TD and the fumble return and long KO return to set up short fields don't show up in the stats! (seriously their argument)..... and THEY are saying our win was a fluke?! I think what they mean is that PedSU even being within 20 points of tOSU was a fluke. Of course, don't bring up last year's game, when they totally kicked our asses. :roll2:
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
I thought that might have been what you meant... was hoping not, because it is more research, but.. I was curious and had some time:

Against Akron - a 52-0 blow out - he did not register any carries, receptions or returns. I am sure he was not on the field at all at that point
Against Pitt - Barkley had 2 carries for zero yards (-5, 5), 2 Receptions for -1 yard (3, -4) and KO returns of 18 and 32 yards
Against Georgia State - another laugher at 56-0 - Barkley recorded no fourth quarter statistics from his spot on the bench
In the 21-19 win over Iowa, Barkley had 7 carries for 28 yards (0, 9, 0, 7, 1, 4, 7) 5 receptions for 47 yards (10, 15, 0, 8, 14) and a 11 yard return
In the 45-14 win against Indiana Barkley carried 4 times for 15 yards (8, 3, 4, 0) was targeted twice in the passing game resulting in 1 reception for 9 yards and had no return yards
Against Northwestern (win, 31-7) Barkley ran twice for 17 yards (5, 12) and was targeted once but the pass was incomplete. He had no return yards, but was pulled from the game after the first series in the 4th up 31-0
Against the hapless scUM vulvarines, Barkley had one carry for -3 and 1 reception for 42 yards and a score. He was pulled for the last series and did not have any return yards
And, again, against Ohio State Barkley ran for -8 yards on 6 carries (-7, 6, -3, -7, -2, 5), 2 targets in the pass game for 1 rec and no yards along with 8 return yards

Thus, the grand total of production from Barkley in the 4th Q this seasons is.....

22 carries for 49 yards (having lost yards on 5 of his last 7 carries, I might add)
10 receptions on 13 targets for 97 yards and a score (Long: 42)
4 KO returns for 69 yards

36 touches for 215 yards and a score

To his credit, against Iowa he had his best 4th Q performance, in a very tight game
To his detriment, however, he had his worst performance in his game against Ohio State as already discussed.
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Was the scUM TD catch the one where he bobbled it? I'd say he gets half credit - Good job on keeping concentration to pull it in after the bobble, but he should have caught it cleanly to begin with.
 
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