Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

[Woody1968]

umm, you do realize that nobody is actually actively cheering for psu to win right? the whole discussion is the glory that will ensue if they win the big 10 and get left out of the playoffs. you totally missed the context of the discussion.

I think you totally missed the context of my response.

I agree that a B1G champ pedster team left out of the playoff would be ideal

But

I firmly believe that if the pedsters play Wiscy in Indy they'll get Sanduskied

 

[Woody1968]

Ohio State WAS tcu last year, and they were rewarded accordingly when they choked in their one statement game.

Where was Ohio State ranked going into Championship Weekend last year?

 

[Woody1968]

Not trusting the committee is a far cry from your earlier guarantee.

No one knows what the committee will do after Championship Saturday. There are plenty of reasons for Buckeye fans to be optimistic however, including SOS, current rank, ability to put butts in seats and fans behind TV screens on New Years Eve, etc.

Good point, but the precedent is that conference champions will get in. The whole point of my post, which everyone is ignoring because it goes against the circle jerk over the fantasy of Pedo State getting jumped by a non conference champion Ohio State team is that I PREFER THAT WE WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP.

 

[AJHawkfan]

I'm going to be rooting against Penn State, too. Though I find it hard to believe that Penn State or Wisconsin would jump Ohio State. I don't think Oklahoma or West Virginia or Louisville would, either. But that's just me guessing. I'd rather not rely on my guess. I guessed Ohio State wouldn't jump TCU and Baylor in 2014, after our quarterback got hurt, even if the backup DID just torch Wisconsin. If we can win the CCG, it takes my lousy guess out.

I'll be rooting for Rutgers this week, and Michigan State next week. And if neither of those work, I'll root for Wisconsin the following week.

However, I would LOVE to see Penn State get left out of the playoffs if they win the Big Ten. Ha - it would be 1994 and 2005 all over again if Ohio State wins the national championship. "Shizhole Big Ten kept us out of the playoffs. We would have won them!" (Yes, Penn State fans think they would have beat USC or Texas in 2005. And 1994... I think that's been discussed enough.) I'd also like to see them get trounced by 'Bama 63-14. Or, best yet, get a chance at a rematch with them, and this time win 63-14 despite the non-Shizhole referees.

You really think the Pedsters would score 14?

 

[tsteele316]

Good point, but the precedent is that conference champions will get in. The whole point of my post, which everyone is ignoring because it goes against the circle jerk over the fantasy of Pedo State getting jumped by a non conference champion Ohio State team is that I PREFER THAT WE WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP.

No, the precedent is that a conference championship can distinguish one team from another with a similar record and/or resume. since that is not the case here, your argument isn't really making much sense.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Good point, but the precedent is that conference champions will get in. The whole point of my post, which everyone is ignoring because it goes against the circle jerk over the fantasy of Pedo State getting jumped by a non conference champion Ohio State team is that I PREFER THAT WE WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP.

I think you're just overstating things on this thread a bit is all. Which is to say, the offending posts are to be read in the same light as all the "make sure you send in your payment to the refs" are read... to take pleasure in the pain it'll cause the cult, not as something that's actually happening or otherwise "wished for." No one here would disagree, I'd think, that it's ideal that Ohio State wins the B1G outright. I too hope that Sparty knocks Ped off (I'd take Rutgers as well, but I'm not at all optimistic that Aqua Velva has a snowball's chance) and then the Buckeyes go to Indy and force feed a shit sandwhich down Bucky's throat. But, if that doesn't happen, it'd be particularly humorous if the Pedsters won the B1G and didn't make the playoffs. Again, and other's can answer for themselves, I doubt any one here is seriously "rooting" for Ped to win the B1G and get left out, instead just thinking it'll be funny if it happens.

And, again, I do think Ohio State wins and they're in. 2 years of the Committee, in the particular seasons at issue, aren't much to go on relative to this year. In 2014 You had conference champs in Bama, Oregon, Free Shoes and Ohio State. Ohio State probably doesn't jump TCU if they didn't beat the living piss out of Bucky. I'm speculating, to be sure, but I do believe that. Last year, I think a strong argument can be made that Ohio State was one of the top 4 teams in the nation, despite no title. However, they were beaten by Sparty - who had 1, not 2, losses at season's end, and beat a Iowa team that was, warranted or not, also highly ranked.... 5 or 6 if memory serves.... anyway... Ohio State, a team certainly in the conversation as a top 4 team - but without a title, was being compared to Bama, OU, Clemson and Sparty, each of whom were also clearly in the conversation as a clear top 4 team who each had conference titles. It was the title, I'd think, that broke the tie between these teams and Ohio State. This year, I don't see the similarity. Certainly not with Ped, in any case. Yes, they did win on the field... But, when 41 point dog Stanford beat #1 USC that didn't mean Stanford was better than USC... Which is to say, as I've argued before, upsets happen... it's just harder to see it as an upset when the teams are more evenly matched that Stanford - USC were.

Now, could the committee do what its done the last 2 years and say "Hey, you gotta win your conference?" Sure they could. But, it's not unusual in sports for non division winners to be involved in play offs (See, wild cards), and even win the title in said sport, so there's no particular barrier philosophically. They've got the wiggle room, and in this particular season, I think they go ahead and wiggle the Buckeyes in.

 

[AJHawkfan]

In my opinion.....

- assuming Bama wins out (which looks to be a pretty safe bet at this point)
- and tOSU wins out (regardless of whether or not they play in the B1G championship), tOSU would fall no further than #3. The marketing machine that is CFP committee would be slobbering all over themselves over the prospects of New Year's Eve semi final games involving Bama and tOSU, with the ultimate payoff coming if/when those two meet in the championship.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

In my opinion.....

- assuming Bama wins out (which looks to be a pretty safe bet at this point)
- and tOSU wins out (regardless of whether or not they play in the B1G championship), tOSU would fall no further than #3. The marketing machine that is CFP committee would be slobbering all over themselves over the prospects of New Year's Eve semi final games involving Bama and tOSU, with the ultimate payoff coming if/when those two meet in the championship.

Not to be underestimated, considering the debacle ratings wise last year. I'd say if Ohio State makes it, they won't be a 4 seed (assuming Bama is the 1), they'll be 2 or 3 for that reason alone, if not for more substantive reasons.

 

[Zurp]

You really think the Pedsters would score 14?

No, but I didn't think they'd beat Ohio State a couple of weeks ago, either.

In my opinion.....

- assuming Bama wins out (which looks to be a pretty safe bet at this point)
- and tOSU wins out (regardless of whether or not they play in the B1G championship), tOSU would fall no further than #3. The marketing machine that is CFP committee would be slobbering all over themselves over the prospects of New Year's Eve semi final games involving Bama and tOSU, with the ultimate payoff coming if/when those two meet in the championship.

Not to be underestimated, considering the debacle ratings wise last year. I'd say if Ohio State makes it, they won't be a 4 seed (assuming Bama is the 1), they'll be 2 or 3 for that reason alone, if not for more substantive reasons.

I probably agree with you two, but I really hope that the committee doesn't look at TV ratings. I hope that they put teams where they think they should be - not where they think TV viewers want them to be.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Come to think of it, regarding TCU in 2014.... they lost to Baylor, though they were "tied" for the BigXII title ... remember the 'one true champion' bullshit? Anyway, the Committee had TCU ranked above Baylor is the point I came to point out, regardless of the fact that everyone but the BigXII knew Baylor had the actual tie break for conference champ, since they .. you know.. won the head to head game.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Good point, but the precedent is that conference champions will get in. The whole point of my post, which everyone is ignoring because it goes against the circle jerk over the fantasy of Pedo State getting jumped by a non conference champion Ohio State team is that I PREFER THAT WE WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP.

The Pedsters would have to be ranked ahead of us in the fist place for us to "jump them". Check the CFP rankings again. We're #2 and they're #8.

 

[jwinslow]

Where was Ohio State ranked going into Championship Weekend last year?

Oh, I get it. You're reducing the wonderfully useful sample size of two down to 1. Yeah that seems like a really reliable metric to use to lambast fellow buckeyes.

 

[TDunk]

From the chairman on Tuesday:

Q. And there's always this trying to figure out how much the conference championship means; is it just a tiebreaker kind of thing, or is it something that is a big difference maker between two teams? How would you kind of quantify that if you can?

Well, I would say that consistent to our protocol that when there is a small separation between teams, when teams are comparable, then the Selection Committee has been instructed by the management committee, the commissioners, as well as the athletics director at Notre Dame, to apply four metrics. One is conference champions; one is strength of schedule; another is head to head match-ups; and the fourth is comparable outcomes against common opponents.

Those four metrics are not weighted. They're in no particular order. So it's up to the 12 individuals that make up the College Football Playoff Selection Committee as to what they see value in. So really it's the subjective opinion and analysis of 12 individuals giving those four metrics when teams are comparable.

https://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2016/11/everything_college_football_pl.html

 

[Jaxbuck]

From the chairman on Tuesday:
Those four metrics are not weighted. They're in no particular order. So it's up to the 12 individuals that make up the College Football Playoff Selection Committee as to what they see value in. So really it's the subjective opinion and analysis of 12 individuals giving those four metrics when teams are comparable.

translated; "we can do whatever the fuck we want, when we want to do it."

People acting like there are hard and fast rules to this are setting themselves up for disappointment imo

 

[jwinslow]

translated; "we can do whatever the fuck we want, when we want to do it."

People acting like there are hard and fast rules to this are setting themselves up for disappointment imo

Translated for cynical (and correct) fans of B12/P12 teams, they like OSU more than us (in those years) and will say stuff to make it work.