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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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kujirakira said:
I have a hard time buying all that given that the documented conversation on record started with JoePa telling him he doesn't have a job at Penn State.
At the end of the conversation he's managed to change JoePa's mind and been offered a permanent position on the staff - and kept it until the investigation uncovered his discussion with Paterno.
If he was traumatized... why decide to be employed there? Why decide to put himself in a position where he knew he'd be in contact with Sandusky on a regular basis? Why decide to work somewhere you knowingly knew was continuing to enable a pedophile?

The other problem with this is that Sandusky had already been "investigated" a couple years prior to McQueary's confrontation, and that had been swept under the carpet. Paterno, the AD, etc. knew at least that early. It's not unthinkable that a lot more people knew - especially people in the football program (McQueary was a player and GA.) This was the 2nd time somebody was telling them about Sandusky molesting a child in their facilities. And the end of the exchange involves a job offer to the would-be whistle blower? Hmmm.
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What gets me is that he knew about 98, he was told flat out about 01. So then in 2011 when it actually comes out that Sandusky was molesting children.....he has the nerve to stand on his doorstep and say "the victims, or whatever they're calling them." OK...I'll play along with the cult and their plausible deniability that he didn't know about 98 and was "confused" about 01. Once everything comes crashing down, there's no way he didn't look back on at least 2001 and say "oh shit...guess McQueary was right after all." And he still says "the victims, or whatever".

Piece of shit.
 
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cincibuck said:
That the NCAA was afraid to let this go to court amazes me. Was it a case of being unable to move the venue out of Happy Valley, or just afraid of how a jury might turn?
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I think the lawyers did a risk assessment and saw that this was not winnable due to:
  1. The fact that they lost every decision and were unable to get the cases dismissed or moved
  2. The fact that they may have wanted to avoid airing internal dirt that could cause further harm
I am guessing that they also were thrown off by the cult's well organized effort to apply pressure from several avenues. The cult now smells blood in the water and it's not over for the NCAA yet. There are going to be other legal actions that could potentially embarrass them.

The lesson here is that if you decide to act on something like this you damn well better go all in and be prepared to weather criticism. I think they had a good case based on LOIC but they never seemed to make that case in a way that was compelling to the public. It's like they weren't convinced themselves of the severity of the punishment or the reason for the response.
 
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cincibuck said:
That the NCAA was afraid to let this go to court amazes me. Was it a case of being unable to move the venue out of Happy Valley, or just afraid of how a jury might turn?
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Delaware Buck said:
I think the lawyers did a risk assessment and saw that this was not winnable due to:
  1. The fact that they lost every decision and were unable to get the cases dismissed or moved
  2. The fact that they may have wanted to avoid airing internal dirt that could cause further harm
I am guessing that they also were thrown off by the cult's well organized effort to apply pressure from several avenues. The cult now smells blood in the water and it's not over for the NCAA yet. There are going to be other legal actions that could potentially embarrass them.

The lesson here is that if you decide to act on something like this you damn well better go all in and be prepared to weather criticism. I think they had a good case based on LOIC but they never seemed to make that case in a way that was compelling to the public. It's like they weren't convinced themselves of the severity of the punishment or the reason for the response.
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Let's be honest here. The NCAA didn't really lose. The Pedsters brought this case in regards to the 60 million the NCAA ordered them to pay. At the end of the day, they settled for the holy wins, and showed to the world that the wins are more important than the reason they brought the suit. It would be like me suing my school for 60 million dollars, and then settling for a case of Natural Light.
 
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Woody1968 said:
Let's be honest here. The NCAA didn't really lose. The Pedsters brought this case in regards to the 60 million the NCAA ordered them to pay. At the end of the day, they settled for the holy wins, and showed to the world that the wins are more important than the reason they brought the suit. It would be like me suing my school for 60 million dollars, and then settling for a case of Natural Light.
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Don't be shocked when they cancel the 60 million payout or it ends up being a fraction of that based on the understanding that PSU has done everything needed to be considered "rehabilitated". And the Pedterno family isn't even close to finished with their legal actions. There will be slander and libel legal actions against the NCAA, Freeh and the school that will go on. There is no way you can consider this a win for the NCAA. It was more about trying to remain relevant in world they no longer control. Their days of leveling large penalties on offender schools are over.
 
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Delaware Buck said:
Don't be shocked when they cancel the 60 million payout or it ends up being a fraction of that based on the understanding that PSU has done everything needed to be considered "rehabilitated". And the Pedterno family isn't even close to finished with their legal actions. There will be slander and libel legal actions against the NCAA, Freeh and the school that will go on. There is no way you can consider this a win for the NCAA. It was more about trying to remain relevant in world they no longer control. Their days of leveling large penalties on offender schools are over.
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Those will most certainly fail.
 
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Delaware Buck said:
Don't be shocked when they cancel the 60 million payout or it ends up being a fraction of that based on the understanding that PSU has done everything needed to be considered "rehabilitated". And the Pedterno family isn't even close to finished with their legal actions. There will be slander and libel legal actions against the NCAA, Freeh and the school that will go on. There is no way you can consider this a win for the NCAA. It was more about trying to remain relevant in world they no longer control. Their days of leveling large penalties on offender schools are over.
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So a pedophile brings down the only body created to bring some semblance of rules and regulations to college sports. Lord help all major conference member schools if such is the case.
 
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The most accurate thread title that's ever been on BWI. Too bad the thread goes exactly how you'd expect over there.
 
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Delaware Buck said:
I am guessing that they also were thrown off by the cult's well organized effort to apply pressure from several avenues. The cult now smells blood in the water and it's not over for the NCAA yet. There are going to be other legal actions that could potentially embarrass them.
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Absolutely. If the new Governor starts appointing cultists to empty seats on the board and the cult actually takes operating control of the university, shit will go downhill fast for the NCAA. At that point, the Presidents should seriously look at kicking them out of the Big Ten.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Absolutely. If the new Governor starts appointing cultists to empty seats on the board and the cult actually takes operating control of the university, [Mark May] will go downhill fast for the NCAA. At that point, the Presidents should seriously look at kicking them out of the Big Ten.
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Hasn't the BOT already gone "cultist"?
Cult political pressure will make appointing non-cult members to the BOT difficult
I think we'll have to just enjoy the insanity a little longer..
 
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