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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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Woody1968 said:
No link to share, but remember how PeeSU was all apoplectic when people were going after their recruits? First post on BWI that I saw today was asking which Gator recruits they should be poaching.
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They rationalize anything they do anymore with a "fuck it...if they're going to do it to us, we should do it to them" attitude. You know....Success With Honor*.



*Failing honor, success by any means necessary. Failing that, sucking at football while kids are getting raped.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
So the cult has decided that McLean's decommitment is because he doesn't have the Ivy League grades required for Penn State. Of course.
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I don't know who McLean is, but I've decided that the cult and I don't share any common DNA. I don't care if that makes them non-human or if that makes me non-human. I don't care. I just don't want to be the same species as they are.
 
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AJHawkfan said:
I heard this over the weekend. A couple of thoughts....

1.) ...and this is hoping to accomplish...what, exactly? Its not like he was around to verify/dispute any of the facts/findings.
2.) Shouldn't he have already "reviewed" the report by now? I would've assumed he would have made reading the report kind of mandatory before accepting the job. You know, to get a feel for the climate he was about to step into.
3.) In the end, this is nothing more than a hollow gesture to appease the Joesus cult.
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The problem is that you can't appease the cult. The cult needs to be faced with Churchill not Chamberlain. Barron needs to understand that he has only two choices: 1) Do his review and then come out and forcefully say that the findings are sound. Paterno was fired for good reason. The wins and the statue are never coming back because Joe Paterno was a bad man who betrayed those children for the sake of his shallow reputation. End of story and find another university to root for or send your kids to if you don't like it. OR 2) Give the cult absolutely everything they want.

Because, there's no middle ground with the Joesus cult. They won't fucking stop. They can't be reasoned with or accomodated. And they sure as shit won't move on and get on with their lives because their lives and literal self worth and identity as a person is wrapped up in the myths that Paterno created about himself.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
The problem is that you can't appease the cult. The cult needs to be faced with Churchill not Chamberlain. Barron needs to understand that he has only two choices: 1) Do his review and then come out and forcefully say that the findings are sound. Paterno was fired for good reason. The wins and the statue are never coming back because Joe Paterno was a bad man who betrayed those children for the sake of his shallow reputation. End of story and find another university to root for or send your kids to if you don't like it. OR 2) Give the cult absolutely everything they want.

Because, there's no middle ground with the Joesus cult. They won't fucking stop. They can't be reasoned with or accomodated. And they sure as [Mark May] won't move on and get on with their lives because their lives and literal self worth and identity as a person is wrapped up in the myths that Paterno created about himself.
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I agree with your sentiment completely. The statue will never come back because it would be too much of a lightning rod nationally. But I am resigned to the fact that the NCAA will eventually show themselves to be completely spineless and Joesus' wins will come back. IMO, it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to rescind the wins punishment in light of eliminating the bowl ban and scholarship reductions.
 
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kujirakira said:
The NCAA is a lot of things. Spineless is not one of them. They have veritable armies of lawyers and will fight tooth and nail to the bitter end rather than compromise about anything.
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I hope that's true but I fear that we are in a new era where the NCAA is just looking to remain relevant. They also haven't won a single argument in these PA court cases. I'm sure a lot of that is the same homerism that Pedterno benefited from all those years. But there are also posts that seem to indicate that the NCAA attempted to settle with some of the parties offline and out of the public eye and those were rejected. I'd love to see the NCAA hold serve on this but I am losing faith in their ability to withstand this many attacks from the cult.
 
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kujirakira said:
The NCAA is a lot of things. Spineless is not one of them. They have veritable armies of lawyers and will fight tooth and nail to the bitter end rather than compromise about anything.
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They already backed off on Ped State penalties, they have done nothing to NC on the academic fraud, they did nothing to Auburn on the Cam scam. I'm pretty good with spineless as a description.
 
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buckeyebri said:
They already backed off on Ped State penalties, they have done nothing to NC on the academic fraud, they did nothing to Auburn on the Cam scam. I'm pretty good with spineless as a description.
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Different context though.
It was their decision to lessen the load on PSU. "Are we not merciful ?"

I don't know what they'll do with NC - probably not death penalty - and I'd agree their punishments have weakened over the years. But that has more to do with their inability to obtain information. They don't have subpoena power to get bank account records and students aren't subject to FOIA. All issues highlighted by the Miami scandals, where the NCAA couldn't legally do anything even after they found the truth due to the way that info was obtained. Schools have realized they can just blackball NCAA and there's nothing NCAA can do about it.
These are all limitations on what NCAA is capable of doing and their incongruous method of handing out punishment in an environment where they increasingly have less leverage to actually get information.

But here we are talking about a court of law and a legal process. They're backing down from this like they're backing down from the student-athlete, union, image rights, etc. stuff. It'll be fought out in a courtroom and they'll go to the bitter end, even if all they're left with are delay tactics and the entire ship is about to sink b/c they refuse to compromise.
 
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kujirakira said:
Different context though.
It was their decision to lessen the load on PSU. "Are we not merciful ?"

I don't know what they'll do with NC - probably not death penalty - and I'd agree their punishments have weakened over the years. But that has more to do with their inability to obtain information. They don't have subpoena power to get bank account records and students aren't subject to FOIA. All issues highlighted by the Miami scandals, where the NCAA couldn't legally do anything even after they found the truth due to the way that info was obtained. Schools have realized they can just blackball NCAA and there's nothing NCAA can do about it.
These are all limitations on what NCAA is capable of doing and their incongruous method of handing out punishment in an environment where they increasingly have less leverage to actually get information.

But here we are talking about a court of law and a legal process. They're backing down from this like they're backing down from the student-athlete, union, image rights, etc. stuff. It'll be fought out in a courtroom and they'll go to the bitter end, even if all they're left with are delay tactics and the entire ship is about to sink b/c they refuse to compromise.
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I get where you are coming from..thanks!
 
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