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Penn St +7.5 at Nebraska (ov/un 53.5) Sat 3:30 ABC/ESPN2

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buckeyesin07;2254119; said:
PSU has no one but themselves to blame for the loss--Nebraska came out and looked like trash in the first half. If you can't protect a 20-6 halftime lead and can't keep from getting straight trucked by an offense with a one-dimensional "quarterback," then you don't deserve to win. Oh, and that TE lost control of the ball before crossing the goal line, and the grounding call was blatantly obvious.
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Regarding the TE, the thing no one can say is irrefutable. They can't exactly tell from either angle they showed, the exact point the ball was knocked out of the player's hands. Since it was ruled a fumble, there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the call.
 
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buckeyeintn;2254132; said:
I liked McMoxie's comment that they know they're not going to get any help from the officials. THE OFFICIALS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HELP YOU. The days of JoePa bringing in hand picked refs are over.
And GO IU!!
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Check out this message board - another on Scout where the Ped Staters are trolling....

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=204&f=4511&t=10455897&p=1
 
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McMoxie is complaining about the refs not calling something? How about them NOT calling that OBVIOUS unsportsmanlike conduct penalty after the intentional grounding when he yanks his headgear off and hollers at the official? LOL
 
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alexhortdog95;2254061; said:
Wonder why nobody asked him about the STUPID intentional grounding call HE got in the endzone....
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Despite what Spiels said on the broadcast, I thought that McMoxie was outside the tackle box on the play that went for a safety, and the ball did land past the line of scrimmage, so that call looked like a break for Nebraska to me. Although PSU likely would have been forced to punt right after that anyway. I'm not complaining about the safety - those 2 points ended up letting the game hit the over!

Also, the punt that set that up was a great one, but how the ball was spotted at the 2-yard line was a mystery to me - I thought it should have been outside the 5-yard line. It landed just in bounds near the 7, and then was well out of bounds on the second bounce a couple of yards past the goal line. The way the refs spot the ball on punts like that has long been a sore point with me - they don't seem to identify two points, draw a line between them, and spot the ball where that line crosses the sideline.

On the replay not giving PSU a TD on the goal line fumble play - as DBB pointed out, the camera wasn't on the goal line, so the angle made it tough to tell when the ball got over the line. Also, he could have lost the grip from earlier contact. The EXACT same play occurred in a game last week, (maybe Johnny Manziel vs. Miss St), and the same thing happened - the original call of fumble into the end zone for a touchback went unchanged; which surprised me, since in last week's game the camera was right on the goal line.
 
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BB73;2254144; said:
Despite what Spiels said on the broadcast, I thought that McMoxie was outside the tackle box on the play that went for a safety, and the ball did land past the line of scrimmage, so that call looked like a break for Nebraska to me. Although PSU likely would have been forced to punt right after that anyway. I'm not complaining about the safety - those 2 points ended up letting the game hit the over!

Also, the punt that set that up was a great one, but how the ball was spotted at the 2-yard line was a mystery to me - I thought it should have been outside the 5-yard line. It landed just in bounds near the 7, and then was well out of bounds on the second bounce a couple of yards past the goal line. The way the refs spot the ball on punts like that has long been a sore point with me - they don't seem to identify two points, draw a line between them, and spot the ball where that line crosses the sideline.

On the replay not giving PSU a TD on the goal line fumble play - as DBB pointed out, the camera wasn't on the goal line, so the angle made it tough to tell when the ball got over the line. Also, he could have lost the grip from earlier contact. The EXACT same play occurred in a game last week, (maybe Johnny Manziel vs. Miss St), and the same thing happened - the original call of fumble into the end zone for a touchback went unchanged; which surprised me, since in last week's game the camera was right on the goal line.
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The safety looked like a safety to me, but that's another bang bang play, IMHO.

As far as the punt - the ref was right there on the field, so it's hard for us to say where it would be spotted when he's got the best position to see where it goes out of bounds (shadow, blah blah).

Truth be told - I don't think he was bobbling the ball, but thems the breaks. Every team has bad calls go against it. None of the calls I saw were obviously one way or the other, which means they were all up for interpretation by the officials.

Irregardless of the calls (which everybody will Sunday and Monday morning QB them), the fact of the matter is when you have a 20-6 lead on a team....you don't let them back into the game. And you sure as hell don't let the refs influence a close one.
 
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BB73;2254144; said:
Despite what Spiels said on the broadcast, I thought that McMoxie was outside the tackle box on the play that went for a safety, and the ball did land past the line of scrimmage, so that call looked like a break for Nebraska to me. Although PSU likely would have been forced to punt right after that anyway. I'm not complaining about the safety - those 2 points ended up letting the game hit the over!

Also, the punt that set that up was a great one, but how the ball was spotted at the 2-yard line was a mystery to me - I thought it should have been outside the 5-yard line. It landed just in bounds near the 7, and then was well out of bounds on the second bounce a couple of yards past the goal line. The way the refs spot the ball on punts like that has long been a sore point with me - they don't seem to identify two points, draw a line between them, and spot the ball where that line crosses the sideline.

On the replay not giving PSU a TD on the goal line fumble play - as DBB pointed out, the camera wasn't on the goal line, so the angle made it tough to tell when the ball got over the line. Also, he could have lost the grip from earlier contact. The EXACT same play occurred in a game last week, (maybe Johnny Manziel vs. Miss St), and the same thing happened - the original call of fumble into the end zone for a touchback went unchanged; which surprised me, since in last week's game the camera was right on the goal line.
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I've noticed this on punts at Ohio State. There have been a few instances this year where a punt landed yards out of bounds and the official seemed to mark it out of bounds near that spot. If it's 15' out of bounds at the 40 there is no way in hell that it actually crossed the boundary line at the 42.
 
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buckeyeintn;2254132; said:
I liked McMoxie's comment that they know they're not going to get any help from the officials. THE OFFICIALS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HELP YOU. The days of JoePa bringing in hand picked refs are over.
And GO IU!!
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The thing is, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. If you act like an ass, declare you are team outlaw, bitch about the refs, and act like freaking victims the refs are going to treat you like shit (especially when you are playing for a university that knowingly allowed a man to molest children for years). There is no conspiracy, but refs know who the assholes of the world are, and they can't help let that sometimes influence their calls.
 
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From the BWI post up^^^ there... somewhere.
The little 10 needs a decent rep in the BCS. This year, Nebraska is one of the chosen ones.
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Clearly this little twerp doesn't watch many Husker games. We're not "a decent rep in the BCS." We're four ballsy comebacks short of a crappy season.

This team could be dangerous if they figure several things out (like how to get defensive plays called in a reasonable time, for one), but when we don't figure it out.... we get what happened at The Shoe. And frankly, I don't see how meltdowns like that make this team "chosen" in any way.

More like, if I'm the Big Ten and I've "chosen" Nebraska, I'm praying to whatever god I can think of that Nebraska doesn't melt down on national TV in a BCS bowl, embarrassing themselves (again) and the conference. This isn't a team I would "chose" to represent the conference.
 
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knapplc;2255017; said:
From the BWI post up^^^ there... somewhere.


Clearly this little twerp doesn't watch many Husker games. We're not "a decent rep in the BCS." We're four ballsy comebacks short of a crappy season.

This team could be dangerous if they figure several things out (like how to get defensive plays called in a reasonable time, for one), but when we don't figure it out.... we get what happened at The Shoe. And frankly, I don't see how meltdowns like that make this team "chosen" in any way.

More like, if I'm the Big Ten and I've "chosen" Nebraska, I'm praying to whatever god I can think of that Nebraska doesn't melt down on national TV in a BCS bowl, embarrassing themselves (again) and the conference. This isn't a team I would "chose" to represent the conference.
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Good point. OSU had looked very mediocre at times this year, but they're light years better than Nebraska. I shudder to think how badly Nebraska would embarrass the Big Ten if they played a team better than OSU.
 
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BUCKYLE;2255026; said:
:lol:

Wow. Dude admits Nebby has issues and you're all like "fuck you and your shitty team". Classy.
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Hey, now! Leave my buddy alone! This man is so uber-awesome that he can do remote psychoanalysis over the internet. I think he can handle some paltry football analysis.





PS - finally got to see a replay on a decent-sized screen. Totally a TD. That makes the score PSU 30 - NE 27 with just under 9:00 to go. I'm liking Nebraska's chances in that scenario. Sucks that they didn't overturn it on replay.

EDIT - Here's a link that shows it's a TD. I don't care what angle this pic is taken from, that's a touchdown. An instant after this pic (let the slideshow run) the ball is knocked loose, but unlike a pass reception where the receiver must "complete" the play" there is no such rule for a running ball carrier.

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The rule says nothing about maintaining possession after the ball crosses the plane: "A touchdown shall be scored when a ball carrier advancing from the field of play has possession of a live ballwhen it penetrates the plane of the opponent’s goal line. This plane extends beyond the pylons only for a player who touches the ground in the end zone or a pylon." LINK
 
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