Penn St. 13, tOSU 6 (Final)

[jwinslow]

Soccer teams in Europe have been doing it for a while now and those copycat bastards just stole it from them.

Tradition is synonymous with 'borrowed' in Happy Valley.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I have one more thing to add. Fuck White Stripes. That's the damn song they play every 2 seconds. It's not even original. Soccer teams in Europe have been doing it for a while now and those copycat bastards just stole it from them.

Can't argue with that. Fuck the lion roar too.

 

[Thump]

Question:

When Pryor fumbled and the ball and the scrum ensued, a Penn St. player intentionally swatted the ball in the direction of the Penn State end zone while the ball was still loose.

Is this legal and if not, how is a penalty assigned?

Does PSU keep the ball and have a penalty given after a change of possession or would OSU keep the ball with a penalty tacked on to the original line of scrimmage?

 

[buckeyes_rock]

Question:

When Pryor fumbled and the ball and the scrum ensued, a Penn St. player intentionally swatted the ball in the direction of the Penn State end zone while the ball was still loose.

Is this legal and if not, how is a penalty assigned?

Does PSU keep the ball and have a penalty given after a change of possession or would OSU keep the ball with a penalty tacked on to the original line of scrimmage?

I was wondering that as well. No one I watched the game with could answer that one.

http://forum.officiating.com/football/49541-psu-osu-illegal-batting-question.html

Here's a discussion of it and a video from some forum I just found.

 

[jwinslow]

I believe it's illegal (fuzzy memory), but so are a lot of things in looseball scrums. Checking around for the exact rule. I'd wonder if it would fall under the category of illegally advancing a fumble.

If it was called, I believe OSU would retain possession since no one possessed the ball at the time.

 

[jwinslow]

CFB Explainer:?Fumblin' - Sunday Morning Quarterback

In short, on first, second and third downs, a fumble is still in play for advancement by any player on either team, as long as it's clear the ballcarrier didn't intentionally throw or bat the ball forward, like so:

The USF touchdown on that play was called back on replay because of illegal advancement; the YouTube poster on the clip (a USF fan, no doubt) labels it "a bullcrap call," and he's completely wrong. Had it been an "innocent" fumble, though, or had the ball gone backwards, the recovery and score would have been legal (this was the original call on the field).

Enforcement can be spotty. I remember a play during Southern Miss' game with Illinois in 2002, when the Illini knocked the ball loose on a sack around midfield. Thinking it was an incomplete pass, a frustrated Illinois lineman literally kicked the ball about 30 yards toward the USM end zone, where it was eventually recovered by one of his teammates and run in for a touchdown. The rules don't address it specifically, but there's no way an intentional kick is a legal advancement of a loose ball. If Southern Miss hadn't recovered to win, I'd still be livid. But there was no replay in 2002.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYR7z5W4CF4"]YouTube - USF-Rutgers non fumble[/ame]