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Peach Bowl: #1 Georgia vs #4 tOSU, Sat 12/31 8 ET on ESPN

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The 22.1 million viewers were the most for a primetime CFP matchup since 2014, when Ohio State knocked off top-ranked Alabama, 42-35, in the Sugar Bowl. The ratings peaked at 23.9 million viewers between 9:45-10 p.m., approximately when C.J. Stroud threw a 37-yard touchdown to Xavier Johnson to put the Buckeyes up 28-24 heading into halftime.

What makes those numbers even more impressive is that the game started at 8:20 p.m. on New Year's Eve and lasted until 2022 turned into 2023, with the timing of Noah Ruggles' game-winning FG attempt occurring almost simultaneously with the ball drop in New York City's Time Square.
 
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I am a glutton for punishment and hesitantly rewatched the game. Now my weekend is ruined and I have myself to thank.

Couple things on rewatch.

1. We had 2nd and 17 yet they score
2. We had 3rd and 10 yet they convert
3. We force a tipped pass by Stetson and Chambers is INCHES away from a pick 6.
4. We dropped another INT late in the 2nd.
5. Once Marv went down we couldn't execute our deep crossing routes.
6. Hayden GOT the first down the play before we had an illegal motion on 4th. Did they review that?

Overall it's worse on rewatch. We should've won the game. We were the better team and it wasn't particularly close.

I won't lay complete blame on this but our over aggressiveness on D cost us enormously. That said our defense held UGA to under 50 yards in the 3rd and our offense couldn't salt the game away.
 
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I finally watched it again as well. It was the ‘Megacast’ that was originally on ESPNews, and had no announcers (a bonus), and had a high camera behind the action that showed almost the whole field of play. My thoughts:

The targeting reversal bothers me less after watching it another dozen times. It was a bad break to lose Marv, especially since he had already stepped out of the back of the end zone, so his effort was in vain. The field judge in the corner of the end zone took his hat off before Marv went up for the ball.

The ‘red line’ reversal still has my blood boiling to a red line level. I definitely don’t believe that ESPN would have shown that replay feature if it had been a Buckeye stretching to get a first down on the sideline. It was shown to sway the replay official to change the call, but it wasn’t conclusive. You can’t tell when Bowers first possessed the ball above the sideline, which is where it should be marked. He made a fine effort, putting his left hand down and turning his body as he was going out of bounds, but the replay doesn’t clearly show whether the ball crossed above the line before it advanced to be even with the ‘red line to gain’.
That broadcast also showed an angle from a camera past the end zone that was lined up with the sideline. Syncing those two views could indicate with a good deal of precision where the ball should have been marked, but I haven’t seen that done.

There were a couple of spots where a good bounce could have given the Buckeyes enough to have won; the tipped ball that fell in front of Steele as a near pick6 that @Captain Buckeye mentioned; and just after the ‘red line’ reversal, Stetson Bennett threw a backward pass to McConkey that was dropped and McConkey fell down - if the ball would have bounced slightly away from him there were 3 or 4 Buckeyes ready to bounce on it. That would have been justice and prevented the field goal that made it 38-27.

There were 12 men on the field for the fake punt, even as the ball was snapped, nobody got off just before the snap. And Kirby did call his timeout before the snap anyway.

The only other thing I found noteworthy on the rewatch was the called running play with 24 seconds left. Egbuka went in motion from left to right, and nobody from Georgia went with him, even though this was right after an UGA timeout. The right half of the field had Fleming out wide with a corner a few yards off him, and a safety who was about 20 yards deep. If it has been noticed, a quick toss to him would have been a nice gain, perhaps a first down. Either way, it would have allowed tOSU to center the ball and call a timeout for a straight-on attempt of 40 yards or fewer. I had a severely sick feeling looking at all of the open space that the deep view showed on the right side of the field.

So those are the things that will linger for me for years, the ‘red line’ reversal coutesy of ESPN, a couple of bounces that could have been, and a stalled drive in the final 30 seconds.
 
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BB73 said:
I finally watched it again as well. It was the ‘Megacast’ that was originally on ESPNews, and had no announcers (a bonus), and had a high camera behind the action that showed almost the whole field of play. My thoughts:

The targeting reversal bothers me less after watching it another dozen times. It was a bad break to lose Marv, especially since he had already stepped out of the back of the end zone, so his effort was in vain. The field judge in the corner of the end zone took his hat off before Marv went up for the ball.

The ‘red line’ reversal still has my blood boiling to a red line level. I definitely don’t believe that ESPN would have shown that replay feature if it had been a Buckeye stretching to get a first down on the sideline. It was shown to sway the replay official to change the call, but it wasn’t conclusive. You can’t tell when Bowers first possessed the ball above the sideline, which is where it should be marked. He made a fine effort, putting his left hand down and turning his body as he was going out of bounds, but the replay doesn’t clearly show whether the ball crossed above the line before it advanced to be even with the ‘red line to gain’.
That broadcast also showed an angle from a camera past the end zone that was lined up with the sideline. Syncing those two views could indicate with a good deal of precision where the ball should have been marked, but I haven’t seen that done.

There were a couple of spots where a good bounce could have given the Buckeyes enough to have won; the tipped ball that fell in front of Steele as a near pick6 that @Captain Buckeye mentioned; and just after the ‘red line’ reversal, Stetson Bennett threw a backward pass to McConkey that was dropped and McConkey fell down - if the ball would have bounced slightly away from him there were 3 of 4 Buckeyes ready to bounce on it. That would have been justice and prevented the field goal that made it 38-27.

There were 12 men on the field for the fake punt, even as the ball was snapped, nobody got off just before the snap. And Kirby did call his timeout before the snap anyway.

The only other thing I found noteworthy on the rewatch was the called running play with 24 seconds left. Egbuka went in motion from left to right, and nobody from Georgia went with him, even though this was right after an UGA timeout. The right half of the field had Fleming out wide with a corner a few yards off him, and a safety who was about 20 yards deep. If it has been noticed, a quick toss to him would have been a nice gain, perhaps a first down. Either way, it would have allowed tOSU to center the ball and call a timeout for a straight-on attempt of 40 yards or fewer. I had a severely sick feeling looking at all of the open space that the deep view showed on the right side of the field.

So those the things that will linger for me for years, the ‘red line’ reversal coutesy of ESPN, a couple of bounces that could have been, and a stalled drive in the final 30 seconds.
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Great review!

It's tough, but someone has to lose. We got a ton of bounces and so did UGA. I'd argue that everything was so balanced in this game and if we play 10 times it literally might be tied 5-5. Overall I think UGAs defense just made 1 more stand than ours did. A great game by the 2 best teams in the country.
 
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BB73 said:
I finally watched it again as well. It was the ‘Megacast’ that was originally on ESPNews, and had no announcers (a bonus), and had a high camera behind the action that showed almost the whole field of play. My thoughts:

The targeting reversal bothers me less after watching it another dozen times. It was a bad break to lose Marv, especially since he had already stepped out of the back of the end zone, so his effort was in vain. The field judge in the corner of the end zone took his hat off before Marv went up for the ball.

The ‘red line’ reversal still has my blood boiling to a red line level. I definitely don’t believe that ESPN would have shown that replay feature if it had been a Buckeye stretching to get a first down on the sideline. It was shown to sway the replay official to change the call, but it wasn’t conclusive. You can’t tell when Bowers first possessed the ball above the sideline, which is where it should be marked. He made a fine effort, putting his left hand down and turning his body as he was going out of bounds, but the replay doesn’t clearly show whether the ball crossed above the line before it advanced to be even with the ‘red line to gain’.
That broadcast also showed an angle from a camera past the end zone that was lined up with the sideline. Syncing those two views could indicate with a good deal of precision where the ball should have been marked, but I haven’t seen that done.

There were a couple of spots where a good bounce could have given the Buckeyes enough to have won; the tipped ball that fell in front of Steele as a near pick6 that @Captain Buckeye mentioned; and just after the ‘red line’ reversal, Stetson Bennett threw a backward pass to McConkey that was dropped and McConkey fell down - if the ball would have bounced slightly away from him there were 3 of 4 Buckeyes ready to bounce on it. That would have been justice and prevented the field goal that made it 38-27.

There were 12 men on the field for the fake punt, even as the ball was snapped, nobody got off just before the snap. And Kirby did call his timeout before the snap anyway.

The only other thing I found noteworthy on the rewatch was the called running play with 24 seconds left. Egbuka went in motion from left to right, and nobody from Georgia went with him, even though this was right after an UGA timeout. The right half of the field had Fleming out wide with a corner a few yards off him, and a safety who was about 20 yards deep. If it has been noticed, a quick toss to him would have been a nice gain, perhaps a first down. Either way, it would have allowed tOSU to center the ball and call a timeout for a straight-on attempt of 40 yards or fewer. I had a severely sick feeling looking at all of the open space that the deep view showed on the right side of the field.

So those are the things that will linger for me for years, the ‘red line’ reversal coutesy of ESPN, a couple of bounces that could have been, and a stalled drive in the final 30 seconds.
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More detail please.
 
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BB73 said:
I finally watched it again as well. It was the ‘Megacast’ that was originally on ESPNews, and had no announcers (a bonus), and had a high camera behind the action that showed almost the whole field of play. My thoughts:

The targeting reversal bothers me less after watching it another dozen times. It was a bad break to lose Marv, especially since he had already stepped out of the back of the end zone, so his effort was in vain. The field judge in the corner of the end zone took his hat off before Marv went up for the ball.

The ‘red line’ reversal still has my blood boiling to a red line level. I definitely don’t believe that ESPN would have shown that replay feature if it had been a Buckeye stretching to get a first down on the sideline. It was shown to sway the replay official to change the call, but it wasn’t conclusive. You can’t tell when Bowers first possessed the ball above the sideline, which is where it should be marked. He made a fine effort, putting his left hand down and turning his body as he was going out of bounds, but the replay doesn’t clearly show whether the ball crossed above the line before it advanced to be even with the ‘red line to gain’.
That broadcast also showed an angle from a camera past the end zone that was lined up with the sideline. Syncing those two views could indicate with a good deal of precision where the ball should have been marked, but I haven’t seen that done.

There were a couple of spots where a good bounce could have given the Buckeyes enough to have won; the tipped ball that fell in front of Steele as a near pick6 that @Captain Buckeye mentioned; and just after the ‘red line’ reversal, Stetson Bennett threw a backward pass to McConkey that was dropped and McConkey fell down - if the ball would have bounced slightly away from him there were 3 of 4 Buckeyes ready to bounce on it. That would have been justice and prevented the field goal that made it 38-27.

There were 12 men on the field for the fake punt, even as the ball was snapped, nobody got off just before the snap. And Kirby did call his timeout before the snap anyway.

The only other thing I found noteworthy on the rewatch was the called running play with 24 seconds left. Egbuka went in motion from left to right, and nobody from Georgia went with him, even though this was right after an UGA timeout. The right half of the field had Fleming out wide with a corner a few yards off him, and a safety who was about 20 yards deep. If it has been noticed, a quick toss to him would have been a nice gain, perhaps a first down. Either way, it would have allowed tOSU to center the ball and call a timeout for a straight-on attempt of 40 yards or fewer. I had a severely sick feeling looking at all of the open space that the deep view showed on the right side of the field.

So those are the things that will linger for me for years, the ‘red line’ reversal coutesy of ESPN, a couple of bounces that could have been, and a stalled drive in the final 30 seconds.
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So indisputable evidence in the review ?

How the hell did MHJr get concussed ??
 
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zbuck said:
So indisputable evidence in the review ?

How the hell did MHJr get concussed ??
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It still was a hard hit. I thought it wasn't targeting myself when I saw the replay during the game but I've seen less egregious hits called and upheld. It could've and maybe should've been targeting but he led with his shoulder and Marv was falling trying to make the catch.

Wade shouldn't have been ejected because Lawrence ducked and the kid from UGA shouldn't have been ejected because Marvin was falling which left no other target area for the defender.

There's just no consistency unfortunately.
 
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zbuck said:
So indisputable evidence in the review ?

How the hell did MHJr get concussed ??
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The standard to not uphold targeting is no longer the same as the review for other calls. The replay officials, since 2019, are instructed to make the call based on how they see the replay, not only to overturn it if they find indisputable evidence to do so.

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The role of instant replay in administering the targeting foul is also being changed. Every targeting foul goes for instant replay review, as in the past. However, starting in 2019 the replay official will look at all aspects of the play and make one of two rulings: either the call on the field is confirmed or it is overturned. A ruling of “stands” will no longer be possible for a targeting review.
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Marv was defenseless as he was coming down after trying to make the catch. Due to that, it didn’t need to be the crown of the helmet to trigger the targeting call, it just needed to be a launch with forcible contact to the head or neck area. Whether that happened or not is debatable, the guy launched but some angles made it appear to be shoulder-to-chest and/or shoulder contact.

I’m not saying I liked the call, I certainly wanted the call and the first and goal that would have resulted. I would have been OK with a personal foul and no ejection. But I’m just saying I’m not totally outraged by it, as I still am by the ‘red line’ reversal in this game (which did not meet the standard of indisputable); and as I still am by the review from Birmingham that took away the defensive TD against Clemson in 2019, where 90% of folks agreed with the original call, 9.9% might have seen it as disputable but not overturnable, and the rare 1 in 1000 guy who thought that taking 3 or 4 steps after coming down with the ball wasn’t enough to be possession was operating an SEC replay booth in Alabama.
 
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The standard to not uphold targeting is no longer the same as the review for other calls. The replay officials, since 2019, are instructed to make the call based on how they see the replay, not only to overturn it if they find indisputable evidence to do so.

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Marv was defenseless as he was coming down after trying to make the catch. Due to that, it didn’t need to be the crown of the helmet to trigger the targeting call, it just needed to be a launch with forcible contact to the head or neck area. Whether that happened or not is debatable.

I’m not saying I liked the call, I certainly wanted the call and the first and goal that would have resulted. I’m just saying I’m not totally outraged by it, as I still am by the ‘red line’ reversal in this game (which did not meet the standard of indisputable); and as I still am by the review from Birmingham that took away the defensive TD against Clemson in 2019, where 90% of folks agreed with the original call, 9.9% might have seen it as disputable but not overturnable, and the rare 1 in 1000 guy was operating an SEC replay booth in Alabama.
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Yeah I don't think the guy was headhunting or anything he made a hard hit high to try to seperate him from the ball.

I think it was to head and neck area and was appalled that the rent a ref said it was definitively not. That's some bull shit especially when it looked like their helmets incidently collided. It was high.
I'm not upset about the Bowers thing. He got it once I realized his foot didn't slide out like I thought.

I was far more pissed about the timeout. Cause while Kirby signalled for it before the snap the there is one angle that clearly shows the red didn't acknowlege it till the ball was halfway to rossi. However I suddenly became far less pissed about it once the pictures with us having 12 on the field came out lol
 
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