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Palmer's knee worse than originally thought...

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FWIW, the radio station I was listening to when I woke up (this afternoon) said the injury was not as bad as expected.

If it is worse...WTF??

Hopefully, Carson will rebound from this.

"Here we go again" -Me, as a Bengals fan from birth. :(
 
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Well there is apparently some dispute by Paulos about the emphasis placed on his description of the injury by the AP article.

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No matter which way you slice and dice this though it is a major injury - with significant rehab requirements - and huge implications for what was going to be a defensively tilted draft and free agent excursion post-season.

How bad is Palmer's injury?
Surgeon calls it potential career-ender but says QB will be back
By Mark Curnutte


Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer's surgeon Thursday night said he repaired a "very typical football injury."
"He did great," Dr. Lonnie Paulos told The Enquirer. "He's already rehabbing. He's a great athlete. He's a stud. He'll be back in a few months."
But earlier Thursday, the Associated Press and the Bengals' Web site reported interviews with Paulos indicating that damage to Palmer's knee was extensive.
Paulos told the Associated Press that Palmer's injury was "devastating and potentially career-ending." He also told the AP that the injury involved numerous ligament tears, a shredded ligament, damaged cartilage and a dislocated kneecap.
Paulos operated for two-plus hours Tuesday in Houston. He said Palmer, who was hit in the side of the left knee in the Bengals' playoff loss Sunday to the Steelers, already is in Los Angeles and has started his rehabilitation.
In at least one TV interview from Houston that aired on a Cincinnati television station Thursday night, Paulos said there was damage to "multiple ligaments and the kneecap."
"Exaggerated, sensationalized, out of context" and "false" were words and phrases Paulos used to describe the AP story. But Paulos did not dispute any details of that story.
"Nothing unusual," the doctor later told The Enquirer about the injury. "Again, it was a regular football injury. It was severe enough to require surgery."
Pressed for a number, Paulos said Palmer would be ready in six months, "just like the Bengals said."
Paulos said he repaired tears in the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments.
There was no meniscus tear, he said.
The Bengals released a statement late Thursday from Paulos:
"I believe and regret that media reports based on interviews with me have misinterpreted my view of Carson Palmer's knee injury. Though the injury was serious, the essential fact remains that his ACL and MCL have been repaired.
"I would consider this a typical ACL-MCL football injury. Comments attributed to me that the knee injury was 'devastating and potentially career ending' were meant to describe such injuries in general. I was accurately quoted by the Associated Press that my bottom line is optimism regarding Carson's prognosis. With a successful rehabilitation program, he has an excellent chance of being medically cleared for play at the start of the 2006 regular season."
Difficult recovery
Wednesday, the Bengals had characterized Palmer's surgery as successful and said the procedure was limited to the ACL and MCL. No other surgical procedures were indicated, the Bengals said in their official statement Wednesday.
But Paulos, in the Associated Press interview Thursday, said the damage was more severe and extensive.
"It's not just like it was a torn ACL," Paulos told the AP. "It's a magnitude more difficult to recover from and repair. It can and has ended careers, without a doubt."
Palmer, on the Bengals' first pass play, was hit in the side of the left knee by Pittsburgh defensive end Kimo von Oelhoffen. Von Oelhoffen wrapped an arm around Palmer's left leg and drove his shoulder pad into the knee.
Paulos told the Associated Press that surgery went well and that Palmer could be back for the start of the season. The regular season will start in eight months, in early to middle September. The league has not released the schedule.
Paulos also had said doctors used grafts from other parts of Palmer's body and donated cadaver tissue to repair the knee.
"However, I feel very comfortable with Carson as an athlete and the heart that he's got," Paulos told the Associated Press. "In the end, that's the bottom line. I can see the look in his eye already. He's ready to get going."
Scale of 1 to 3? It's a 4
An orthopedic surgeon, Paulos has worked with the U.S. Ski Team since 1983. During Palmer's operation, Paulos repaired the ACL, which runs through the middle of the knee and promotes stability. He also told the AP that the MCL, which runs along the side of the knee, was damaged "real bad."
"On a scale of 1 to 3, it was a 4," Paulos told the Associated Press. "It was off the chart. It was pretty badly damaged - shredded is the better term."
The kneecap dislocated when Palmer was hit, damaging tissue around it. There also was some cartilage damage, Paulos told the AP. Paulos was able to repair the knee without removing pieces of cartilage or soft tissue.
"They were not torn beyond repair," he said in the Associated Press interview. "So he's got all his parts in there, which is good."
If rehabilitation goes well, Palmer could be running in a couple of months and might be able to play in the first regular season game, Paulos said.
Palmer was wearing a brace on the left knee, to protect the MCL that suffered a strain in Game 13 of the 2004 season at New England and forced Palmer to miss the final three games.
Paulos did say he expected Palmer to wear more extensive braces on both knees next season.
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sandgk said:
Well there is apparently some dispute by Paulos about the emphasis placed on his description of the injury by the AP article.

LINK

No matter which way you slice and dice this though it is a major injury - with significant rehab requirements - and huge implications for what was going to be a defensively tilted draft and free agent excursion post-season.
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Heard the same story. They had the Dr. on WLW last night and he said the AP totally blew out of proportion what he said.

He said any knee injury like this is potentially career threatening but said he totally expects Palmer to be back and ready next season.

BTW, I agree with Tibs, if Krenzel is QB'ing, the Bengals are in trouble.
 
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Thump said:
Heard the same story. They had the Dr. on WLW last night and he said the AP totally blew out of proportion what he said.

He said any knee injury like this is potentially career threatening but said he totally expects Palmer to be back and ready next season.

BTW, I agree with Tibs, if Krenzel is QB'ing, the Bengals are in trouble.
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The Bengals were in trouble with Kitna QB'ing. All I can say is the knee must have been pretty bad to even classify it as career threatening. After seeing McGahee's knee and comeback I didn't think there was a career threatening knee injury anymore.
 
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Thump, exhawg - agreed on both (though Kitna's a moot point - he's gone). This still leaves the question open as to how the Bengals fill the number 2 spot. Try and get a quality back-up they can develop in the draft - get a reliable vet in the free agent market, or take a flyer on a product that has failed elsewhere due to poor overall team chemistry / offensive line.
My guess is that it will be one of the later two approaches, with the draft applied to other pressing team needs.
So, if they are to go after a free agent who are the best candidates as
a vet
OR
a flyer?
 
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exhawg said:
Wasn't Tim Couch on the Bengals list of possible backups? If he is healthy now he would be a good option.
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Now don't make me cry :wink2:

All kidding aside, he would be a reasonable flyer type.

Others in the experienced realm who may or may not come into play ...
Harrington (not as attractive, possibly too expensive)
Warner (doesn't his name always come up at this time each year)

Truly expensive, developmental ...

What if the Chargers reverse field and look to get value from Rivers? That would be smart for them, possibly way too expensive for the Bengals.

If the premise is wrong and they go to draft what about Gradkowski?
 
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bucknuts44820 said:
Your joking right....:tongue2:
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I always liked Couch. IMO if he had started his career like Palmer did he would have been much more successful. Hell I think he would have been better off if he had started out in Charlie Frye's situation. He never had a chance with what he was surrounded with in Cleveland back then. If (big if) Tim Couch is 100% healthy he would be a good player to have as your backup QB.
 
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Here is a current list of Free Agents - RFA is arestricted, UFA unrestricted.

Couch nowhere in sight ...

Several of the candidates are getting wrapped up - e.g. Brees and the Chargers. Some no-one would want, others (e.g. Garcia, Blake) I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

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