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As I alluded to earlier, much of this country's dietary information is out of whack thanks to Ancel Keys's Lipid Hypothesis in the 50s, the McGovern Commission's declaration that Americans should eat less fat and more carbs in the 70s, and now perpetuated by Big Agra and Big Pharma that hope to sell you statins and erectile dysfunction pills. We have fat-phobia in this country, and the medical literature simply does not support that fat is bad for you. Look at the French, who eat lots of fat and have little incidence of obesity, metabolic syndrome, or heart disease.

You really only have three macro-nutrient choices: Fat, Carbs, and Protein.

You should eat fat & protein, and lots more of it. Fat & proteins provide the most dense nutrients and keep you feeling full longer, which curbs your hunger pangs and deters snacking and over eating. They're also the most efficient sources of fuel for your body and do not promote insulin production, which inhibits the release of testosterone and HGH (which you need to grow muscle) and prevents your body from releasing fat from its fat cells.

A lot of people seem mortified at the thought of going on a full-saturated fat pig-out, but it really does work. It is how our bodies have worked for 2.5 million years. Your cells are made of fat. Your brain is made of fat. We cut out Whole Fat Milk in our schools and replaced it with Skim, now all our kids have ADHD ... go figure!

That said, I see two things in your daily intake that jump out at me:

1) Skip the single hard boiled egg and have a massive three or four egg omelette filled with ham or bacon! This will give you energy for half the day with NO 2:30 crash in the afternoon. Skip the StoneyField Fat Free Yogurt (seriously, if there is no fat than it MUST be offset with the addition of carbs) and instead try some Fage Total Full Fat Yogurt. If you're going with tropical fruits, save them for post-workout when your body can quickly burn the ethylene sugar most effectively.

You're at 25g fat/112g carb/95g protein before dinner, when you really should be at 75g fat and 25-50g carbs instead. Do you like avacados? Nuts (particularly almonds or macadamias, NOT peanuts)? Those would be a more ideal snack than a banana, let alone two bananas.

2) You've had three fruits but no vegetables! That's backwards. Eat less fruit overall and more vegetables. Make yourself a Big Ass Salad in a 5-cup bowl. Half a head of Romaine, some carrots, cucumbers, mushrooms, onions, bell peppers ... whatever you've got. Dress with Balsamic & Red Wine Vinegars. Good stuff.
 
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OH10;1724639; said:
I'm doing a modified version of P90x. I've been running and swimming for two years, but the running injuries make it so I can't run two days in a row. So, I'm adding in P90x and running on the days where we aren't doing Yoga, Plyo, Kenpo. It's working out pretty well so far. Not sore, but I am sweating profusely during the workouts.

Not doing the nutrition recommendation. I enjoy Skyline Chili and Chipotle too much for that.

Started P90X today for almost the same reasons. Years of running (HS & C track & XCountry and Marathon) have made back to back days tough. I also needed to get some weight training going again.
 
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Does anyone on here doing P90X use his supplements?

I saw that Gatorade has a their G series including a recovery drink with whey protein added. Has anyone tried it? How does it rate compared to Hortons product?


FWIW, I am only looking for recovery drinks on Plyo and maybe Yoga days.
 
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Buckeye Buh Nim;1727198; said:
Does anyone on here doing P90X use his supplements?

I saw that Gatorade has a their G series including a recovery drink with whey protein added. Has anyone tried it? How does it rate compared to Hortons product?


FWIW, I am only looking for recovery drinks on Plyo and maybe Yoga days.

Recovery? Ehh - not as much protein (regardless if it is Whey Isolate) as opposed to a glass of non-fat chocolate milk. Plus it tastes like hot, sweaty, cherry ass... Toss in the sugar - I'll pass.


As for a supplement this is what I use.


ErgoPharm GF PRO, 2.18 Lbs. - Whey Protein Isolate - Protein Powders - A1Supplements.com

But its pretty solid stuff, not sure how it will go well in correlation to a P90 routine since I don't do the P90 myself.
 
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Buckeye Buh Nim;1727198; said:
Does anyone on here doing P90X use his supplements?

I saw that Gatorade has a their G series including a recovery drink with whey protein added. Has anyone tried it? How does it rate compared to Hortons product?


FWIW, I am only looking for recovery drinks on Plyo and maybe Yoga days.
Beachbody's P90x-series of supplements were engineered by Mark Sisson. I would trust Mark's nutritional and lifestyle recommendations 110%. So, I should point out Mark doesn't drink his own P90x recovery drink because he feels they're too sweet. He has his own private label of supplements.

Mark's Daily Apple

He's a former Olympic-level marathoner and Ironman that gave up elite competition after he recognized his relentless training and "Chronic Cardio" lead to frequent injury and illness. He's since championed 'Primal Nutrition,' the importance of high-fat, high-protein diets and more intense, but less lengthy workouts. Mark is friends with Tony Horton, and is credited with introducing Tony to HIIT. Mark even appears at the end of the P90x DVDs talking about his (E.g., Beachbody's) shakes and bars.

I'd encourage anyone seriously interested in strength-training and fat-reduction to read his book, [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Primal-Blueprint-Reprogram-effortless-boundless/dp/0982207700/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1278474631&sr=8-1"]The Primal Blueprint[/ame] and follow his site, Mark's Daily Apple. It would have a more profound effect on your health and wellness than just doing P90x and half-assing the nutrition.

I feel pretty strongly that without the proper nutritional path, there's really no point in doing P90x, because you just won't reap the full rewards of your labor. I noticed a HUGE change in my endurance, physical and mental performance, and physique between Weeks 1-4 (half-assing nutrition) and Weeks 5-8 (when I really buckled down and took things seriously).

As for specific supplements, my opinion is that there is too much misinformation and obfuscation out there perpetuated by companies that want to sell you designer, 'pure' supplements at a premium. There is no reason to pay GNC prices or Beachbody prices for designer isolates when you can buy the BodyFortress stuff at Wal*Mart or Meijer for $9.98 for a 2-lb tub.

If you really break down the labels and the ingredients, there simply isn't that much difference in the various brands, aside from possibly the Jay Robb brands, but I cannot justify the 3x price increase, or the package with the super-ghey picture of Jay Robb on it. Some brands mix well with milk, others are better with water. Some brands clump, others taste chalky. It's entirely a personal "taste" preferrence, then a question of price:grams-protein ratio.

I happen to like the Body Fortress chocolate, and at 26g per serving, you cannot beat the price.
 
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Dryden, I just picked up that book and a 24oz tub of Jay Robb protein. All I have ever used is Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard Whey, should be interesting to see the difference.

By the way how often do you lift? Any type of routine? You preach heavy lifting. I did a 3 month program that would concentrate on 4 sets of 5 reps, basically the max you could do for 5 reps. It drastically increased my strength. I try to get into a lot of "super sets" now and work alternate muscles. I will do a back and bicep day, chest and triceps and then a shoulder day. Working out legs once a week. I usually hit core, abs every other workout. On my 5th day I will do a mixed bag of exercises, trying to hit things I felt weak doing earlier in the week or things I want to focus on.

My diet is pretty good, but I drink, a lot. That is why I picked up the book.

I enjoy reading your posts on the matter and encourage you to keep giving BP suggestions. Thanks!
 
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Buckeye Buh Nim;1729704; said:
Dryden,

I have read before that chocolate milk is "good" as a recovery drink, or at least better than some. why is that? why is chocolate milk "better" than regular milk as a recovery drink?
not dryden, but...

the extra carbs in chocolate milk do a better job of replacing lost glucose than regular milk.
 
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THEWOOD;1727852; said:
Dryden, I just picked up that book and a 24oz tub of Jay Robb protein. All I have ever used is Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard Whey, should be interesting to see the difference.
the difference will likely be in your head, which alone can contribute to a material change. whey protein is whey protein. the amino acid profiles and bioavailability of different wheys are comparable across the board. heck, you can go cheap and buy gemma (pea) protein from sources like trueprotein.com. i would recommend doing this, as coke and pepsi have secured millions upon millions of whey contracts for their soon-to-be-released post-workout drinks, which should be driving up the price of whey proteins by 2 to even 3 times their current price. expect this to happen late this year to early next year. if and when this happens, look for alternate sources (like gemma). the amino acid profile of pea protein is not unlike whey protein's. the taste will be different, but i don't sip my whey protein shakes; i chug them.

in short, don't fall for the gimmicks. whey protein is whey protein. i prefer whey isolates because i am lactose intolerant. whey concentrate rips apart my insides, and even some whey isolates do, too. i would also recommend egg white protein powder or whole egg protein powder, which can be purchased from true protein and proteinfactory.com. these are reputable companies that offer a tremendous amount of variety.
 
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There are better options then milk depending on goals. It's one thing to mix it with some whey,but it's another thing to depend on it as a protein source pwo. In order to consume 32 grams of protein you would need 4 servings of most milk.It's more calorie effective to just buy whey.
 
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Eat fruits and veggies = you'll lose weight. like that article says fruits do have sugars, but they are natural sugars that aret harmful. In fact those sugars are 1000x's better for you than the processed crap.

Unfortunately I've been unbelievably stressed with work and stuff, so my p90 has kind of taken a back seat right now. Although it's not good bc could use it as a stress reliever I'm just swamped.

I have cut out ALL fast food, and I've lost 5 pounds in 2 weeks :lol:
 
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