Oversigning (capacity 25, everyone welcome! maybe)

[gregorylee]

I gotta agree with the gator on this one. Oversigning shit needs to stay in the oversigning thread. The same as "tatgate" shit needs to stay in it's thread. This thread is for the game.

What was that about Paris Hilton's hole?

 

[matcar]

I dunno Mili - maybe you could use a little - if not counseling, then call it a different opinion...because saying that tatgate "taints" the game somewhat - for the reasons expressed (that if you suspend the 5 and lose - or you don't and win - people will talk about the suspension issue and its effect on the game, and not what happened between two fine ball clubs, including one that hasn't been to a BCS Bowl - ever, and was looking forward to playing a perennial BCS power), is not a slap at y'all - and while I can see why you see it as a slap at your program, he was talking about the game.

The whole idiotic controversy, which has directed almost all of the talk away from the game itself (and so away from talk of the Hogs and their players and accomplishments this season), has also resulted in total disagreement on this site - by Buckeyes - as to the propriety of not suspending the 5 guys.

Nobody nationally has been talking about Arkansas and tOSU about to do battle. Which means that NOBODY has been talking - at all - about the Piggies. Which is a damn shame. The game should have been entirely about Xs and Os, and calling the Hogs, and dotting the "I", and personnel match ups - all of the fun stuff you look forward to in a BCS bowl...and not the [censored] sandwich of ESPN/etc. coverage that it has become. That it has become this cluster[censored] happens to fall, unfortunately, on y'alls side of the stadium. Mili, this problem was not caused by one fricking hawg - or hawg fan. For them to say that this whole mess "taints" the 2011 Sugar Bowl is not a slam at the Buckeye program that requires a "Oh yeah - but you guys are dirty this way...." response.

Rather than an insult or slam directed at the Buckeye program, it is - IMO - an absolutely accurate, cold, hard, fact. A fact that flat sucks for everybody. But it sucks for them more in a way, because y'all have been BCS Bowling every damn year for quite a while. These guys have not. If they happen to win, people will say you were distracted. That sure as [censored] "taints" a hypothetical win. If I were them it would make me rather unhappy.

Starting this oversigning [censored] on the game thread to "get back" at them for somebody using the word "taint" looks petty. I get the BP part Mili. BP also has a FAQ section about guests, and I do not know if we are following it to the best of our abilities, is all. I don't think these guys were looking for the type of discussion y'all are eager to engage in as a result of that offhand comment.... I mean, I would assume that they can bring some kind of smack game if they truly wanted, but this does not seen like an attempt to do so. To me anyway.

Now, if they compared Arky running backs to your D-line play "like Paris Hilton's taint" - then you could get [censored]ed. I'd assume that meant anyone coming near could find a hole. But this.....

Agreed. Oversigning discussion has it's place, bu not here. No need to berate fans in this thread, better to keep this thread on point.

 

[kentuckbuck]

Agreed. Oversigning discussion has it's place, bu not here. No need to berate fans in this thread, better to keep this thread on point.

I also agree with gator. I tried to rep him and it said I needed to spread it around. That made me then think of the spread offense and then didn't want to rep him anymore.

 

[BB73]

I agree that the oversigning stuff should stay in the other thread. Talking about that in this thread just deteriorates the discussion we should be having here.

BP posters, we prefer to have intelligent conversation about the upcoming football game in this thread. Let's all try to make that the case.

Just about everybody's disappointed about the tOSU players who will be suspended in 2011. But THAT conversation belongs in the thread about those suspensions. How that situation may affect the bowl game can be discussed here, but any talk about whether the situation was handled properly, or whether players should be paid, etc., does NOT belong in this game discussion thread.

And any idiot taking any already-refuted rumors (that were started by a chicago-based website) and posting them in this thread will be dealt with harshly at this point.

 

[Douglas]

By the Numbers III - Petrino vs Tressel - Battle at the Sugar Bowl

Greetings, everyone!

I wrote this on December 7th and posted it on two other sites, however, I didn't see this linked/listed here, so I thought some of you would enjoy this. Bear in mind that I'm only focusing on the "On Field" performance aspects. So... enjoy!

In the third installment of By the Numbers, and in honor of my beloved Razorbacks getting their first BCS Bowl bid (Sugar Bowl, January 4th, 2011 at 8:30 PM on ESPN), I decided to pull together some statistical information regarding the head coaches of the Arkansas Razorbacks (Bobby Petrino) and the Ohio State Buckeyes (Jim Tressel).

One thing is very apparent after reviewing all of the available data: Both Coaches have the IT factor. Coach Tressel is the grizzled veteran, with nearly 25 years of Head Coaching experience (two schools, Youngstown State and Ohio State), while Coach Petrino is the new kid on the block with nearly 7 years of Head Coaching experience (two schools, Louisville and Arkansas). Both have fielded BCS caliber teams and both have won in BCS bowls, so this will be no shock for either one of 'em.

Coach Tressel has a major monkey to get off his back to appease the Buckeye faithful: OSU 0-9 against SEC teams in BCS Bowls.

Coach Petrino has his own monkey to chase away as well: Take an already simply amazing season and push it up one notch higher.

Both have very tall demands of their respective fan bases and each side is expecting their coach to deliver the goods.

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Let's get to the two PDFs and start comparisons, shall we?
http://dlhazard.com/includes/btn/By the Numbers III - Bobby Petrino.pdf
http://dlhazard.com/includes/btn/By the Numbers III - Jim Tressel.pdf


Breaking down the numbers - SCORING
Coach Tressel has put up a few more points on the board this year in this category, often outscoring his opponents by 2.9 points for every 1 opponent point. Coach Petrino hangs 1.6 points for every 1 opponent point. I have to give the edge to Coach Tressel in this regard. (Sorry, Hog Brethren... the numbers are pretty damning at this point).

I'll see your Rush with a Hail Mary Pass!
Coach Tressel runs a pretty balanced attack, racking up nearly 5400 yards of offense this year. His defense is pretty impressive, with just a scintilla over 3000 yards. His defense seems to be a bit more skilled at stopping the Rush, allowing just over 1100 yards.

Bad news for Buckeye fans... we've got a high octane Offense, bruising out close to 5900 yards of offense. While our pass offense exceeds 4000 yards this year, bear in mind that we've got one of the most dynamic rushers in football. Knile Davis has actually busted out more Rush yardage this year (1183 yards at the time of writing, 889 of those in the last SIX games, mind you) than you've allowed (1132 yards). Add to that the strong arm of both Ryan Mallet and Tyler Wilson (both have thrown 60+ yard bombs this year) and the Buckeyes are going to get lit up... hard.

Edge has to go to the Razorbacks on yardage.

Touchdowns, Turnovers, Tanglin' Teams - Oh MY!
Both teams are very evenly matched in terms of scoring touchdowns (OSU: 59, AR: 58), though the edge has to go to OSU for turnover margins this year, as well as shutting down opponent's offenses from scoring TDs (OU: 20 TDs allowed, AR: 33 TDs allowed). Gotta give the edge to the Buckeyes on this one.

FLAG ON THE PLAY, AUTOMATIC FIRST DOWN!
While OSU has the market on First Downs, the Hogs are far more aggressive. Given how hard teams have to play in the SEC, it's absolutely not shocking that the penalties on SEC schools is as high as it is. It's also not surprising why OSU is 0-9 against SEC schools in bowl appearances. I can only hope that OSU is ready for Arkansas speed, style, finesse and aggression. Edge definitely has to go to the Hogs on this.

Overtime? Whaddya mean Overtime?!
Since these teams are pretty doggone evenly matched, I expect the final result to actually be less than 10 points apart. Here, you've got the old man trying to win one for his team versus a cocky and brash young team trying to re-stake their claim to glory.

I cannot WAIT the next 28 days and 30 minutes for these two teams to do battle.

This is going to be a battle for the ages, folks!

PAST BTNs
By the Numbers II - Coach Petrino vs "Coach" Nutt - First Three Years
http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=375409.0

By the numbers - a difference between 2007, 2009 and 2010
http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=375273.0

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[Gatorubet]

FLAG ON THE PLAY, AUTOMATIC FIRST DOWN!
While OSU has the market on First Downs, the Hogs are far more aggressive. Given how hard teams have to play in the SEC, it's absolutely not shocking that the penalties on SEC schools is as high as it is. It's also not surprising why OSU is 0-9 against SEC schools in bowl appearances. I can only hope that OSU is ready for Arkansas speed, style, finesse and aggression. Edge definitely has to go to the Hogs on this.

1) What a novel topic, I'm sure someone may respond

2) I'm outa here... ......with SEC speed, mind you

 

[greyscarlet]

. I can only hope that OSU is ready for Arkansas speed, style, finesse and aggression. Edge definitely has to go to the Hogs on this.

I'll bite, go ahead and prove that rkansas is faster, your QB position would be an interesting start, LB's, RB's, WR's, DE's.

Funny how if you hear something enough you begin to be believe it's true, no matter how ludicrous and ignorant.

 

[Bill Lucas]

I wasn't aware that yards wins games. Thanks for sharing.

 

[SooiecidetillNu]

Why don't you take the oversigning comments to the oversigning thread, and quit acting like asses to the guests in the main game thread...

No matter what your opinion on the subject, I'm quite sure none of our new Porcine visitors registered on BP to be told about how tainted their program is - or how dumb they are, whatever the phraseology.

I came back with some responses to the oversign issue, but after reading the long series of responses since I was challenged, I'll simply post a link for those that are interested, and I'll move on to the better topics. I don't want to break the integrity of this thread.

http://www.razorbacktalk.com/board/index.php?topic=49812.0

BTW, if you go back and check my posts I think you'll see that I didn't come flaming, and in most cases I agreed with your plight.

Anyway, here's to a great game with both sides at full strength, and may it be without injury.

I think I may lurk some, but I'm not sure I'll be posting again, so good luck in advance, and may the best team win.

 

[DiaBuckeye]

FLAG ON THE PLAY, AUTOMATIC FIRST DOWN!
While OSU has the market on First Downs, the Hogs are far more aggressive. Given how hard teams have to play in the SEC, it's absolutely not shocking that the penalties on SEC schools is as high as it is. It's also not surprising why OSU is 0-9 against SEC schools in bowl appearances. I can only hope that OSU is ready for Arkansas speed, style, finesse and aggression. Edge definitely has to go to the Hogs on this.

Oh man, where to start...

I was O.K., indifferent really, to your post up until this point.

1.) How in the hell do you figure that the SEC playing "hard teams" translates to more penalties committed by SEC schools? They have more penalties because they commit more penalties... that is all.

2.) What exactly is your basis for it being not at all surprising that OSU is 0-9 against the SEC in bowls? You do not explain your reasoning at all.. you simply say that it is not surprising.

3.) I guarantee that this years Buckeyes are, position for position, faster, and I mean literally faster in 40 times, than the majority of your Hogs, and the majority of your entire lightning fast conference for that matter.

4.) BIG10 BIG10 BIG10!!!!11!1!!

 

[MaxBuck]

Regardless of whether or not I agree, kudos to Hogs fan Douglas for his interesting analysis. It's always good to get perspectives from the opposition, particularly when they are presented so thoughtfully and respectfully.

 

[jdevers]

I know we are nearly finished discussing the oversigning thing, but I was busy yesterday and didn't get to throw in my two pence.

We HAVE oversigned in the past, but I think you guys misunderstand the rationale and reason. We didn't sign more than we could so we could cut the dead weight on campus, some sort of constant tryout. Alabama has done this and it appears that LSU has at least some. On the other hand, we generally barely get 25 to campus each year. Anyone we oversign that isn't counting back to the last year (several this year will count back), will generally go the JUCO route. Well over half of these guys will end up on campus after 1 1/2 to 2 years. Name me one upperclassman player we have "cut" due to freshman pressure and I will be as ashamed as words can describe. Our kickoff specialist went off of scholarship as a senior, but that had a lot to do with reduced job duties (was placekicker previously). Many schools have kickers not on scholarship. We don't generally have a "the numbers will work themselves out" reputation. You guys need to understand Southern high schools a bit more if you want to bash us over this. Star players graduate with 3.5 GPA but get a 13 on the ACT and can barely read some times. We sign LOIs every year with a player who is VERY close to making it who then does worse than anticipated in a class or doesn't quite get the minimum ACT/SAT score, to say we are somehow responsible for these kids not making it is kind of asinine.

Also, Anthony Oden is no longer on the team. He never played a down this year after his DUI last summer and has been at home this past semester. The coaches have said that he may re-apply to school this semester, but I don't know if he did.

 

[jwinslow]

Thanks for the detailed response, jdev. What is your experience with SEC schools besides Bama, LSU & wherever Houston Nutt is? Do you find it to be a common trend elsewhere, not so much, or do you have no idea?

 

[Gatorubet]

Yeah. Let's talk oversigning some more here.

 

[matt_thatsme]

Yeah. Let's talk oversigning some more here.

Oversigning?