Oversigning (capacity 25, everyone welcome! maybe)

[Onebuckfan]

This could not be further from the truth. Tress has always encouraged players to find out their options and to not hesitate going into the draft if it suits them personally. The difference between Tressel and most SEC coaches in general is that Tressel genuinely helps the student-athlete make the right decision for himself. I'm surprised you would have said what you said about Tressel.

No team has sent more guys to the NFL than Tressel during his tenure. And many if not most left OSU with some eligibility.

And the ones that used all their ellegibilty have seemed to have more success as pros than those leaving early..

 

[buckford]

And the ones that used all their ellegibilty have seemed to have more success as pros than those leaving early..

. . . and, hopefully, in life, too.

 

[Gatorubet]

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Exactly. Now sir, tell me how many college kids appear in the coach's office accompanied by a lawyer? And how many lawyers are on retainer or are employees of a major college football program? And if the kid brought a lawyer how would he stack up against the school's legal team? And what are the chances that the kid comes from a family with the resources to stay in a legal battle long enough to win a significant settlement?

Yes a good deal of ass kissing takes place BEFORE NLOI day, but after that all the odds favor the house.

There is no legal issue involved as to how a scholarship works. They are one year scholarships. There is no contract interpretation to fight over on that point. How they are implemented is more custom and usage and - strategy. Setting aside morality for a discussion of mechanics, if you sign a bunch of guys from high school X and launch them all after year one by now renewing the one year scholarships, you will likely never see a singed LOI from that H.S. again.

So there is morality and there is also naked self interest in how this is done as a practice.

I admit to not being as familiar with this issue as someone like Cappo, and I would love to hear his thoughts on how this works in the real world. I do not mind being wrong, and I may be misunderstanding some things that lead to an incorrect conclusion.

 

[DaveyBoy]

Knock on wood, we don't have any players that have committed NCAA violations. That's on your players, who by association makes it also on your team, and then the fans.

I honestly feel for you guys. This sucks. I feel for Tressel as well. He's been placed in a no-win situation.

I, as a Hog fan must agree with WildHog though.
This taints the game for ALL involved, to include your program.

but answer this: don't you Arkansas fans feel a little tainted because your program has oversigned fairly extremely over the last few years ? Whether it's in the NCAA rulebook or not, oversigning is creating a condition where a player's LOI and scholarship mean almost nothing if there are better players to sign later on.

just a bit tainted ?

 

[SooiecidetillNu]

but answer this: don't you Arkansas fans feel a little tainted because your program has oversigned fairly extremely over the last few years ? Whether it's in the NCAA rulebook or not, oversigning is creating a condition where a player's LOI and scholarship mean almost nothing if there are better players to sign later on.

just a bit tainted ?

Thanks for all the answers without flames.

I respect your program and look forward to beating the crap out of you though at the Sugar Bowl.

As to your question, I don't like oversigning, and I believe it has gotten a lot better since Clown Boy, I mean Houston Nutt left, who is SHAMEFULLY oversigning at Ole Miss. I think he had well over 30 one class.

I say believe because I don't recall this being an issue since his departure.
If you have, enlighten me. I do pay attention to recruiting, but I'm far from a guru. I'm looking more at class rankings, size and speed of recruit, and needs of class. You get any deeper than that, I confess a good deal of ignorance.

The only reason I know that about Clown Boy is because his oversignings were SO egregious, it became a topic on Hogville.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

As to your question, I don't like oversigning, and I believe it has gotten a lot better since Clown Boy, I mean Houston Nutt left, who is SHAMEFULLY oversigning at Ole Miss. I think he had well over 30 one class.

I say believe because I don't recall this being an issue since his departure.
If you have, enlighten me. I do pay attention to recruiting, but I'm far from a guru. I'm looking more at class rankings, size and speed of recruit, and needs of class. You get any deeper than that, I confess a good deal of ignorance.

this will be petrino's third recruiting class, no? if so, he signed 31 in first class and 25 in his second. currently, there are 26 players committed. apparently, arkansas under petrino still embraces oversigning.

 

[SmoovP]

but answer this: don't you Arkansas fans feel a little tainted because your program has oversigned fairly extremely over the last few years ?

I've seen this a couple of times on this board and I'm not sure exactly what you're talking about.

Care to enlighten me?

 

[k2onprimetime]

I've seen this a couple of times on this board and I'm not sure exactly what you're talking about.

Care to enlighten me?

YOU SIGN MORE PLAYERS THAN YOU CAN PUT ON SCHOLARSHIP..

 

[SloopyHangOn]

YOU SIGN MORE PLAYERS THAN YOU CAN PUT ON SCHOLARSHIP..

Yea, I'm not sure how you could play dumb on that one, Smoov.

It's been a pretty common theme among SEC programs and Arkansas is one of the more prevalent offenders.

 

[Gatorubet]

Why don't you take the oversigning comments to the oversigning thread, and quit acting like asses to the guests in the main game thread...

No matter what your opinion on the subject, I'm quite sure none of our new Porcine visitors registered on BP to be told about how tainted their program is - or how dumb they are, whatever the phraseology.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

Why don't you take the oversigning comments to the oversigning thread, and quit acting like asses to the guests in the main game thread...

No matter what your opinion on the subject, I'm quite sure none of our new Porcine visitors registered on BP to be told about how tainted their program is - or how dumb they are, whatever the phraseology.

Been hittin' the 'nog pretty hard 'ubet?

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Why don't you take the oversigning comments to the oversigning thread, and quit acting like asses to the guests in the main game thread...

No matter what your opinion on the subject, I'm quite sure none of our new Porcine visitors registered on BP to be told about how tainted their program is - or how dumb they are, whatever the phraseology.

Check the name of the website, specifically the first two syllables.

Frankly, we don't need to be counseled on the integrity of college football by fans of programs that blatantly oversign recruits when they know ahead of time they can't keep 15-25% of them, and boot their asses to the curb without a second thought. That's their football program itself doing very shadey shit, not a small cadre of 19-20 student-athletes.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

Check the name of the website, specifically the first two syllables.

Frankly, we don't need to be counseled on the integrity of college football by fans of programs that blatantly oversign recruits when they know ahead of time they can't keep 15-25% of them, and boot their asses to the curb without a second thought. That's their football program itself doing very shadey shit, not a small cadre of 19-20 student-athletes.

It's also become quite pertinent to this thread (albeit brought up by a Buckeye) when talks about this game being "tainted" by the hooplah started. What may seem like grasping at straws for some reason to bring everyone else down a notch to save face (which is apparently how it looks to some) is really just discussion about what reality is for both programs and perspective in regard to football culture and fandom.

 

[Gatorubet]

Check the name of the website, specifically the first two syllables.

Frankly, we don't need to be counseled on the integrity of college football by fans of programs that blatantly oversign recruits when they know ahead of time they can't keep 15-25% of them, and boot their asses to the curb without a second thought. That's their football program itself doing very shadey [censored], not a small cadre of 19-20 student-athletes.

I dunno Mili - maybe you could use a little - if not counseling, then call it a different opinion...because saying that tatgate "taints" the game somewhat - for the reasons expressed (that if you suspend the 5 and lose - or you don't and win - people will talk about the suspension issue and its effect on the game, and not what happened between two fine ball clubs, including one that hasn't been to a BCS Bowl - ever, and was looking forward to playing a perennial BCS power), is not a slap at y'all - and while I can see why you see it as a slap at your program, he was talking about the game.

The whole idiotic controversy, which has directed almost all of the talk away from the game itself (and so away from talk of the Hogs and their players and accomplishments this season), has also resulted in total disagreement on this site - by Buckeyes - as to the propriety of not suspending the 5 guys.

Nobody nationally has been talking about Arkansas and tOSU about to do battle. Which means that NOBODY has been talking - at all - about the Piggies. Which is a damn shame. The game should have been entirely about Xs and Os, and calling the Hogs, and dotting the "I", and personnel match ups - all of the fun stuff you look forward to in a BCS bowl...and not the [censored] sandwich of ESPN/etc. coverage that it has become. That it has become this cluster[censored] happens to fall, unfortunately, on y'alls side of the stadium. Mili, this problem was not caused by one fricking hawg - or hawg fan. For them to say that this whole mess "taints" the 2011 Sugar Bowl is not a slam at the Buckeye program that requires a "Oh yeah - but you guys are dirty this way...." response.

Rather than an insult or slam directed at the Buckeye program, it is - IMO - an absolutely accurate, cold, hard, fact. A fact that flat sucks for everybody. But it sucks for them more in a way, because y'all have been BCS Bowling every damn year for quite a while. These guys have not. If they happen to win, people will say you were distracted. That sure as [censored] "taints" a hypothetical win. If I were them it would make me rather unhappy.

Starting this oversigning [censored] on the game thread to "get back" at them for somebody using the word "taint" looks petty. I get the BP part Mili. BP also has a FAQ section about guests, and I do not know if we are following it to the best of our abilities, is all. I don't think these guys were looking for the type of discussion y'all are eager to engage in as a result of that offhand comment.... I mean, I would assume that they can bring some kind of smack game if they truly wanted, but this does not seen like an attempt to do so. To me anyway.

Now, if they compared Arky running backs to your D-line play "like Paris Hilton's taint" - then you could get [censored]ed. I'd assume that meant anyone coming near could find a hole. But this.....

 

[SloopyHangOn]

Starting this oversigning [censored] on the game thread to "get back" at them for somebody using the word "taint" looks petty.

Objection. Leading the witness.

Seriously. As I pointed out before, that was not the point. It's you who is making that the point, not any of us who have mentioned it (as far as I can tell). I for one am not bunching all the Hog fans who have ventured to this board in the same box as you seem to be. Responding to the few idiotic posters who chose to talk smack by suggesting that their smack is unfounded is not the same as dismissing an entire group of fans' opinions.

I get the BP part Mili. BP also has a FAQ section about guests, and I do not know if we are following it to the best of our abilities, is all. I don't think these guys were looking for the type of discussion y'all are eager to engage in as a result of that offhand comment....

Talk about putting words in peoples' mouths.

Categorize us as Buckeye fans and then berate us for that categorization. Really?

I mean, I would assume that they can bring some kind of smack game if they truly wanted, but this does not seen like an attempt to do so. To me anyway.

You're right. For many it's not, but to a few of them it was. Anyone capable of distinguishing between multiple dialogues has dealt with it accordingly. Usually I like your attitude, but this time it seems to me like you're just trying to stir shit in the disguise of keeping peace. Please don't.

Now, if they compared Arky running backs to your D-line play "like Paris Hilton's taint" - then you could get [censored]ed. I'd assume that meant anyone coming near could find a hole. But this.....

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