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SmoovP
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Muck;1841379; said:
Fair enough. It's easy to get tarred with the same feathers I suppose, when we're in the same conference with the likes of Alabama, Auburn and LSU.
Saying that 'half' of them won't qualify might be overstating your case just a bit though.
Sarcasm aside in my earlier post, no offense was offered and I hope none was taken.
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Sorry, that is absurd. Offering a prospect, and then keeping an uncommitted appraised of your recruiting situation is nothing like signing a kid to a legal contract and then forcing him to greyshirt or attend prep school solely because you accepted too many loi's and need to squeeze in more talented prospects.SmoovP;1841345; said:
Perhaps if your hypothetical included duping the kid and not telling him until signing day that someone else took his spot when he tried to sign with your school.
probably every school that had a real shot at him, which was a very small list.
The point is when osu saves a spot for pryor, they actually save a spot for him.
When an oversigning program tries to land pryor, they sign someone else also and still bring in pryor if he will come.
This is a despicable practice, and comes at the expense of the kids. rather than face the risk ethically, they jeopardize some other kids' scholarship if their oversigning gamble leaves them over the limit when too many verbal and or qualify.
yes they could, but they cowardly want both and force someone else to live with the consequences and lose their scholarship as a result.
no, I am not.
I am saying that the kid can choose to accept the offer or choose to wait and consider others. I think it is courteous to keep the kid posted when spots are getting filled, but if the kid does not want to verbally accept the offer, that is his choice and loss.
there is no comparison between a kid declining an offer and missing that opportunity by his own actions...
To a kid accepting an offer and missing that opportunity because the school lied to him and he was helpless to avoid not having a scholarship.
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SmoovP
doesn't ride a Harley
jwinslow;1841451; said:
That's where we get crossways.
That exact situation is beyond my knowledge of any kids experience at Arkansas.
If/when/where that's happening at other schools, shame on them and yes, it's despicable.
jwinslow;1841451; said:
We're going to disagree on that.
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Elite programs from the SEC & B10
2006-10 recruit signees
#05 OSU - 20, 15, 20, 25, 19 = 099, 19.8 avg, 79.2 every 4 yrs, -5.8
#07 Wis - 23, 18, 24, 21, 26 = 112, 22.4 avg, 89.6 every 4 yrs, +4.6
#14 MSU - 25, 21, 21, 21, 21 = 109, 21.8 avg, 87.2 every 4 yrs, +2.2
N-R PSU - 24, 21, 14, 27, 20 = 106, 21.2 avg, 84.8 every 4 yrs, -0.2
N-R Mic - 20, 20, 25, 22, 27 = 114, 22.8 avg, 91.2 every 4 yrs, +6.6
B10 - 21.6 avg per class, 86.4 every 4 yrs, +01.4 above 85
SEC - 26.0 avg per class, 104. every 4 yrs, +19.0 above 85
#01 AUB - 25, 30, 18, 27, 32 = 132, 26.4 avg, 105.6 evry 4 yrs, +20.6
#08 LSU - 25, 25, 26, 24, 28 = 128, 25.6 avg, 102.4 evry 4 yrs, +17.4
#10 ALA - 23, 24, 32, 27, 29 = 135, 27.0 avg, 108.0 evry 4 yrs, +23.0
#12 ARK - 26, 27, 25, 31, 26 = 135, 27.0 avg, 108.0 evry 4 yrs, +23.0
N-R FLA - 27, 27, 22, 16, 28 = 120, 24.0 avg, 096.0 evry 4 yrs, +11.0
Meanwhile, let's look at a talented program which has struggled to keep up:
6-7 UGA - 27, 23, 23, 20, 19 = 112, 22.4 avg, 89.6 every 4 yrs, +4.6
Their un-SEC-like restraint on oversigning matches their totals from the 03-07 span as well (see previous post, +4.6).
edit: added MSU, the avg was 21.5 per, now it is 21.6 per class.
2006-10 recruit signees
#05 OSU - 20, 15, 20, 25, 19 = 099, 19.8 avg, 79.2 every 4 yrs, -5.8
#07 Wis - 23, 18, 24, 21, 26 = 112, 22.4 avg, 89.6 every 4 yrs, +4.6
#14 MSU - 25, 21, 21, 21, 21 = 109, 21.8 avg, 87.2 every 4 yrs, +2.2
N-R PSU - 24, 21, 14, 27, 20 = 106, 21.2 avg, 84.8 every 4 yrs, -0.2
N-R Mic - 20, 20, 25, 22, 27 = 114, 22.8 avg, 91.2 every 4 yrs, +6.6
B10 - 21.6 avg per class, 86.4 every 4 yrs, +01.4 above 85
SEC - 26.0 avg per class, 104. every 4 yrs, +19.0 above 85
#01 AUB - 25, 30, 18, 27, 32 = 132, 26.4 avg, 105.6 evry 4 yrs, +20.6
#08 LSU - 25, 25, 26, 24, 28 = 128, 25.6 avg, 102.4 evry 4 yrs, +17.4
#10 ALA - 23, 24, 32, 27, 29 = 135, 27.0 avg, 108.0 evry 4 yrs, +23.0
#12 ARK - 26, 27, 25, 31, 26 = 135, 27.0 avg, 108.0 evry 4 yrs, +23.0
N-R FLA - 27, 27, 22, 16, 28 = 120, 24.0 avg, 096.0 evry 4 yrs, +11.0
Meanwhile, let's look at a talented program which has struggled to keep up:
6-7 UGA - 27, 23, 23, 20, 19 = 112, 22.4 avg, 89.6 every 4 yrs, +4.6
Their un-SEC-like restraint on oversigning matches their totals from the 03-07 span as well (see previous post, +4.6).
edit: added MSU, the avg was 21.5 per, now it is 21.6 per class.
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Bobby Hoying
All-American
Oversigning should be considered as fraud committed by the coach/university.
The coach (acting with the power of the university) enters into an agreement with a student-athlete. The student legally agrees to the contract by signing their name and begins the terms of the contract by practicing with the team.
Then the contract is vacated by the university because according to them the student did not meet the criteria of the contract (wasn't good enough).
If I was the student's lawyer I would ask to see where the criteria was in the contract and how specifically did the student not meet the criteria. Also I would check to see if the university held the contract in good faith and warn the student if the terms of the contract were not being met.
Either way I would think the university's lawyers would warn against oversigning. It seems like in the OTL videos that lawyers are involved in these contract cases and if one of the plaintiffs wins then it will cost the universities unecessary amounts of money.
The coach (acting with the power of the university) enters into an agreement with a student-athlete. The student legally agrees to the contract by signing their name and begins the terms of the contract by practicing with the team.
Then the contract is vacated by the university because according to them the student did not meet the criteria of the contract (wasn't good enough).
If I was the student's lawyer I would ask to see where the criteria was in the contract and how specifically did the student not meet the criteria. Also I would check to see if the university held the contract in good faith and warn the student if the terms of the contract were not being met.
Either way I would think the university's lawyers would warn against oversigning. It seems like in the OTL videos that lawyers are involved in these contract cases and if one of the plaintiffs wins then it will cost the universities unecessary amounts of money.
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kn1f3party
Hall of Fame
Bobby Hoying;1856449; said:
For some of these athletic programs that bring in enormous revenue to the school they probably see the cost as not outweighing the benefit.
Whenever we get in to recruiting season and this topic comes back up, it really does make me proud of the coaching staff we have and the way we operate our University. It is unfortunate that many fans out there view this as an unnecessary evil to be competitive in college football these days. You see on some forums people are stopping short of promoting it but simply dismiss the perceived weakness of the Big Ten to the SEC as a result of, what they think is, our conventional recruiting practices.
I'm happy we have a staff that actually cares about these kids and keeps its promises.
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Nutriaitch
Retired Super Hero
you can probably drop one of our commits now.
4* RB Jeremy Hill was arrested for Oral Sexual Battery.
I'm confident (or at least hope) his offer has been pulled.
He's 18yrs old. Him and another 18 year old "pressured" a 14 year old girl into slobbing thier knobs in the locker room at his high school.
4* RB Jeremy Hill was arrested for Oral Sexual Battery.
I'm confident (or at least hope) his offer has been pulled.
He's 18yrs old. Him and another 18 year old "pressured" a 14 year old girl into slobbing thier knobs in the locker room at his high school.
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