OSU Men's Basketball Recruiting/Projections/General Discussions

[jimotis4heisman]

i dont see five guys hanging around the perm. thats why i picked duncan. he will hit a few 3balls but i dont see him hitting more than the occasional "come out and play me....in your eye"

sloughing off think basic shell defense and the backside/weakside/whereever help coming over because of a lack of a guy to hold his man. this is why i mentioned the conley and why he never got 'blacked' i guess i have to explain 'blacked' first. essentially its a scheme to double the ball and force towards the wing/corner. its highly complex and probably with 10 guys and a blackboard 3 of you would know what i was talking about after 10 minutes. but simple as that explanation is it gets the point across. the reason we saw conley played straight up all year had directly to do with oden via at least two people i know. conleys production spiked once oden became a threat. teams decided not to allow oden to beat them at all costs. forcing conleys man to maintain ball pressure (come over the screen, or fight under it but pressure) handle the player one on one and not allow space/time for conley to get a pass into the post while maintaining positioning to double oden. thus, giving conley a free run if he beats his man and having help come from gods country vs the nearest man (odens man or the doubling man). so in simplistic terms kof beats his man in b10 ball someone is coming over to try and eat his lunch... granted kof is a nice passer so this could make someone (likely the 4) a ton of easy baskets, or pass to the perm for the 3ball...splash.

understandable?

 

[crazybuckfan40]

i dont see five guys hanging around the perm. thats why i picked duncan. he will hit a few 3balls but i dont see him hitting more than the occasional "come out and play me....in your eye"

sloughing off think basic shell defense and the backside/weakside/whereever help coming over because of a lack of a guy to hold his man. this is why i mentioned the conley and why he never got 'blacked' i guess i have to explain 'blacked' first. essentially its a scheme to double the ball and force towards the wing/corner. its highly complex and probably with 10 guys and a blackboard 3 of you would know what i was talking about after 10 minutes. but simple as that explanation is it gets the point across. the reason we saw conley played straight up all year had directly to do with oden via at least two people i know. conleys production spiked once oden became a threat. teams decided not to allow oden to beat them at all costs. forcing conleys man to maintain ball pressure (come over the screen, or fight under it but pressure) handle the player one on one and not allow space/time for conley to get a pass into the post while maintaining positioning to double oden. thus, giving conley a free run if he beats his man and having help come from gods country vs the nearest man (odens man or the doubling man). so in simplistic terms kof beats his man in b10 ball someone is coming over to try and eat his lunch... granted kof is a nice passer so this could make someone (likely the 4) a ton of easy baskets, or pass to the perm for the 3ball...splash.

understandable?

Yep...Just never knew what you meant with those terms...

Also...I am assuming from you description that you plan on KK playing the 5...I would think that guys like Twig and Hunter would play more in the post then outside on the perimeter, leaving KK more on the perimeter and at the high post...

Also as for doubling KK I just odn't see that unless it is in the post, b/c I just don't see KK doing more than putting the ball on the floor one way or another and either pulling up for the jumper or passing off...I don't think he is quite a driver/slasher...More of a set up shooter, or pick n pop/roll guy...

 

[jimotis4heisman]

i dont know you have
twig
madsen
big d
hunter
kof

and you have to play a 4/5 unless you try and slide a guy down to play the 4lighty? i really dont know. matta has talent. should be another interesting year of coaching imo.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

i dont know you have
twig
madsen
big d
hunter
kof

and you have to play a 4/5 unless you try and slide a guy down to play the 4lighty? i really dont know. matta has talent. should be another interesting year of coaching imo.

Yeah I can't wait, should be fun...But I would think that KK would play more of the 4 role when guys like Twig, DL, and Hunter are in the game...

It could also be an in and out type thing where or a high low type inter changable offense where they could play either position...

Either way I would think that with our size matchup and ability for out big guys to step out, we are going to see lots of zone from the opposing teams...

 

[jimotis4heisman]

my point was from 8 to 12 feet is youll see that stuff. granted thats a guess. who knows what matta will do? not me. i can suggest but thats about it. haha. he should have lots of options and limitations all at the same time. the way he shuffled and handled personnel impressed me this year. id expect the same or more next year.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

my point was from 8 to 12 feet is youll see that stuff. granted thats a guess. who knows what matta will do? not me. i can suggest but thats about it. haha. he should have lots of options and limitations all at the same time. the way he shuffled and handled personnel impressed me this year. id expect the same or more next year.

I agree, but next year he has even more vesatility with the big guys, but will be held back some in the backcourt due to not having a guys like Conley and Lewis being able to create...

 

[jimotis4heisman]

in a weird sort of way i dont know. but, cook may hurt this team leaving more than conley...

 

[crazybuckfan40]

in a weird sort of way i dont know. but, cook may hurt this team leaving more than conley...

I know what you mean, I would love for Cook to suprise us and come back and then the team could really suprise some people...If not we are going to have some growing pains, but we will present matchup problems for every team we play against...

 

[akronbuck]

i dont see any guys leaving early. kk will struggle in defending the five. hes a player, but players get bigger, stronger and quicker at the next level. kof has great hands but could use some serious time pumping up. not saying he cant be drafted, i would project at this point it would be more beneficial for him to hang around and polish up his game inside 7 feet. his strength in my view isnt the 3ball like you guys seem to go crazy about, its his 8 to 12 foot game. everyone compares him to dirk. i see a young duncan. he couldnt bang down low but at 10 feet he was lethal. you knew he could hit that shot all day all night if he had half a look, if you came out to aggressive then hill put the ball on the floor and kill you attacking the rim. how effective will this be without a five and guys sloughing off? i think it depends if the three ball is falling. i look for kof to get the ball on the short wing and teams to "black" him.

though, i thought teams would 'black' conley all year and it wasnt till this week i found out why...

Duncan reminds me of kEVIN MCHALE. kk is so much more athletic then Duncan. I've been comparing him to GASOL but, he also, falls in that torontos rookie type of player comparison.

When he was in those all star games it made me sick the way no passes were going his way but, he was passing all over. He's a team player and I never saw Duncan dribble the ball up the court against the press.

One year and gone:(

 

[OmahaBeef]

One year and gone:(

I'm suprised everyone is saying this. I know I only saw him play in one game this season, but he really didnt impress me much (Glen Oak's playoff loss against St. X where Kosta had something like 14 points and 4 rebounds). X was double teaming Kosta the whole game, but I would expect a guy who is 12 months away from getting ready for the NBA draft be able to handle a couple kids double teaming him, both of which were smaller than him. I know I only saw him play one game, but he really didnt look that impressive in that one game.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

I know I only saw him play in one game this season, but he really didnt impress me much... I know I only saw him play one game, but he really didnt look that impressive in that one game.

 

[OmahaBeef]

Well I guess my thing is that I don't remember it being just that his shots werent falling, it looks like he was having big time difficulties with being physical. (And I would expect a kid who's a year+ away from declaring for the NBA draft to be able to handle a double team even on an off night. Its not like he was going up against highly recruited big men either. X's post players who were going up against him were 2 seniors who won't play basketball in college, and a junior who will probably end up playing for a mid major.) I'm not saying he's not going to do well as OSU next year, I'm just suprised by the talk about the NBA.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Duncan reminds me of kEVIN MCHALE. kk is so much more athletic then Duncan. I've been comparing him to GASOL but, he also, falls in that torontos rookie type of player comparison.

When he was in those all star games it made me sick the way no passes were going his way but, he was passing all over. He's a team player and I never saw Duncan dribble the ball up the court against the press.

One year and gone:(

nba to hs atheltic ability... duncan early in his career was a pretty good athlete. like i said its a comparison based on how i would use him not what style player he is.

 

[akronbuck]

I'm suprised everyone is saying this. I know I only saw him play in one game this season, but he really didnt impress me much (Glen Oak's playoff loss against St. X where Kosta had something like 14 points and 4 rebounds). X was double teaming Kosta the whole game, but I would expect a guy who is 12 months away from getting ready for the NBA draft be able to handle a couple kids double teaming him, both of which were smaller than him. I know I only saw him play one game, but he really didnt look that impressive in that one game.

You saw him playing a great team with great coaching.
he was double/triple teamed all game and he's the only true player on the Glenoak team.

My favorite years of watching H.S. BASKETBALL GAMES
lebron james had 8 other players on his team at ST. V

kk IS THE MOST COMPLETE PLAYER since/before LEBRON that ohio has had in along time.

Everyone talking about Cook on those NBA draft lists but, KK would be a top 10 pick if he were able to come out this year.

My one year and gone makes sense to me but, I 'll buy us both a lot of drinks if I'm wrong. I hope he stays all 4 Oden should of to lol

 

[jimotis4heisman]

I'm suprised everyone is saying this. I know I only saw him play in one game this season, but he really didnt impress me much (Glen Oak's playoff loss against St. X where Kosta had something like 14 points and 4 rebounds). X was double teaming Kosta the whole game, but I would expect a guy who is 12 months away from getting ready for the NBA draft be able to handle a couple kids double teaming him, both of which were smaller than him. I know I only saw him play one game, but he really didnt look that impressive in that one game.

Well I guess my thing is that I don't remember it being just that his shots werent falling, it looks like he was having big time difficulties with being physical. (And I would expect a kid who's a year+ away from declaring for the NBA draft to be able to handle a double team even on an off night. Its not like he was going up against highly recruited big men either. X's post players who were going up against him were 2 seniors who won't play basketball in college, and a junior who will probably end up playing for a mid major.) I'm not saying he's not going to do well as OSU next year, I'm just suprised by the talk about the NBA.

with all respect to storm and the other boys at glen oak, they dont exactly have any players. coaching i could question also. the fact that he has to waste energy bringing the ball up the floor is telling...