• Follow us on Twitter @buckeyeplanet and @bp_recruiting, like us on Facebook! Enjoy a post or article, recommend it to others! BP is only as strong as its community, and we only promote by word of mouth, so share away!
  • Consider registering! Fewer and higher quality ads, no emails you don't want, access to all the forums, download game torrents, private messages, polls, Sportsbook, etc. Even if you just want to lurk, there are a lot of good reasons to register!

OSU Men's Basketball Recruiting/Projections/General Discussions

Jump to latest Follow Reply
Sort by date Sort by votes
The Land 216 said:
Kaleb definitely, I would say the other one could be a transfer. Possibly Ahrens if his playing time isn’t improved this year. I know rankings don’t mean everything but he ranked pretty low to be thinking about nba right now. I wouldn’t understand if he was too 20 coming out of high school
Click to expand...

I always felt Zo's minutes would increase throughout the season, too much versatility,can guard all 5 positions
 
Upvote 0
I am not super high on Zed Key in the sense that I don't think he has a high ceiling. As far as Buckeye comps go, something like Terrence Dials is probably the best-case scenario, and in a similar time-frame where you're not going to see a truly major contributor until the upperclassman years.

But I do like Zed in the sense that I think the way he plays, he has a fairly high floor--which is something we might really need from a big next season. His skills still need a lot of refining and his athleticism is fine but nothing special, but he does have appropriate length and motor to help on the interior in terms of defense and rebounds. And he's a fairly savvy player.

I think a lot of fans were looking at this 2020 class, after the excellent 2019 class, as an opportunity for the staff to add a couple 5-star, one-and-done types to really push the roster over the top--call that the instant gratification path. I think the staff saw two paths, neither one necessarily better than the other. They saw that 5-star path and pursued it with a few guys like Boston, Keon, Williams, Barnes, etc. but they also had a 1B, longer term plan for the early signing period of guys they thought they could get locked up who would be complementary in abilities and skills (such as shooting and perimeter length w/ bounce plus an inside man to defend and rebound) to probable roster need and guys who should be around for multiple years so that we have a sophomore wing and big in 2021-2022, junior wing and big in 2022-2023, etc. Instead of, for instance, starting over with just Diallo in the post again for 2021-2022, or possibly not having an experienced wing shooter/scorer on the roster after Ahrens, Washington, and Sueing graduate (I'd be surprised if Gaffney is here 4 years). And so forth.

While I don't fully understand the staff's vision with all the wings/forwards (Do they really want all this overlap at a few positions for the next couple years? Are they expecting some guys to leave? Are we going to have some 5-forward line-ups or something?), I think Brown is a mighty fine player and, honestly, without his injury setback his rankings could be comparable to where Moody's are at now. Zed Key is not a guy that makes me 100% confident in our post situation next season if Kaleb's gone but I will say that I was not even remotely optimistic that we were going to get a 2020 big considerably better than someone like Key... and I will also say that even as a frosh I think Zed Key can give a baseline performance that will help our inside play next season.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
nomatta said:
I am not super high on Zed Key in the sense that I don't think he has a high ceiling. As far as Buckeye comps go, something like Terrence Dials is probably the best-case scenario, and in a similar time-frame where you're not going to see a truly major contributor until the upperclassman years.

But I do like Zed in the sense that I think the way he plays, he has a fairly high floor--which is something we might really need from a big next season. His skills still need a lot of refining and his athleticism is fine but nothing special, but he does have appropriate length and motor to help on the interior in terms of defense and rebounds. And he's a fairly savvy player.

I think a lot of fans were looking at this 2020 class, after the excellent 2019 class, as an opportunity for the staff to add a couple 5-star, one-and-done types to really push the roster over the top--call that the instant gratification path. I think the staff saw two paths, neither one necessarily better than the other. They saw that 5-star path and pursued it with a few guys like Boston, Keon, Williams, Barnes, etc. but they also had a 1B, longer term plan for the early signing period of guys they thought they could get locked up who would be complementary in abilities and skills (such as shooting and perimeter length w/ bounce plus an inside man to defend and rebound) to probable roster need and guys who should be around for multiple years so that we have a sophomore wing and big in 2021-2022, junior wing and big in 2022-2023, etc. Instead of, for instance, starting over with just Diallo in the post again for 2021-2022, or possibly not having an experienced wing shooter/scorer on the roster after Ahrens, Washington, and Sueing graduate (I'd be surprised if Gaffney is here 4 years). And so forth.

While I don't fully understand the staff's vision with all the wings/forwards (Do they really want all this overlap at a few positions for the next couple years? Are they expecting some guys to leave? Are we going to have some 5-forward line-ups or something?), I think Brown is a mighty fine player and, honestly, without his injury setback his rankings could be comparable to where Moody's are at now. Zed Key is not a guy that makes me 100% confident in our post situation next season if Kaleb's gone but I will say that I was not even remotely optimistic that we were going to get a 2020 big considerably better than someone like Key... and I will also say that even as a frosh I think Zed Key can give a baseline performance that will help our inside play next season.
I am not super high on Zed in the sense that I don't think he has a high ceiling. As far as Buckeye comps go, something like Terrence Dials is probably the best-case scenario, and in a similar time-frame where you're not going to see a truly major contributor until the upperclassman years.

But I do like Zed in the sense that I think the way he plays, he has a fairly high floor--which is something we might really need from a big next season. His skills still need a lot of refining and his athleticism is fine but nothing special, but he does have appropriate length and motor to help on the interior in terms of defense and rebounds. And he's a fairly savvy player.

I think a lot of fans were looking at this 2020 class, after the excellent 2019 class, as an opportunity for the staff to add a couple 5-star, one-and-done types to really push the roster over the top--call that the instant gratification path. I think the staff saw two paths, neither one necessarily better than the other. They saw that 5-star path and pursued it with a few guys like Boston, Keon, Williams, Barnes, etc. but they also had a 1B, longer term plan for the early signing period of guys they thought they could get locked up who would be complementary in abilities and skills (such as shooting and perimeter length w/ bounce plus an inside man to defend and rebound) to probable roster need and guys who should be around for multiple years so that we have a sophomore wing and big in 2021-2022, junior wing and big in 2022-2023, etc. Instead of, for instance, starting over with just Diallo in the post again for 2021-2022, or possibly not having an experienced wing shooter/scorer on the roster after Ahrens, Washington, and Sueing graduate (I'd be surprised if Gaffney is here 4 years). And so forth.

While I don't fully understand the staff's vision with all the wings/forwards (Do they really want all this overlap at a few positions for the next couple years? Are they expecting some guys to leave? Are we going to have some 5-forward line-ups or something?), I think Brown is a mighty fine player and, honestly, without his injury setback his rankings could be comparable to where Moody's are at now. Zed Key is not a guy that makes me 100% confident in our post situation next season if Kaleb's gone but I will say that I was not even remotely optimistic that we were going to get a 2020 big considerably better than someone like Key... and I will also say that even as a frosh I think Zed Key can give a baseline performance that will help our inside play next season.
Click to expand...
I think this post repeats itself.
I think this post repeats itself.
 
Upvote 0
nomatta said:
I am not super high on Zed Key in the sense that I don't think he has a high ceiling. As far as Buckeye comps go, something like Terrence Dials is probably the best-case scenario, and in a similar time-frame where you're not going to see a truly major contributor until the upperclassman years.

But I do like Zed in the sense that I think the way he plays, he has a fairly high floor--which is something we might really need from a big next season. His skills still need a lot of refining and his athleticism is fine but nothing special, but he does have appropriate length and motor to help on the interior in terms of defense and rebounds. And he's a fairly savvy player.

I think a lot of fans were looking at this 2020 class, after the excellent 2019 class, as an opportunity for the staff to add a couple 5-star, one-and-done types to really push the roster over the top--call that the instant gratification path. I think the staff saw two paths, neither one necessarily better than the other. They saw that 5-star path and pursued it with a few guys like Boston, Keon, Williams, Barnes, etc. but they also had a 1B, longer term plan for the early signing period of guys they thought they could get locked up who would be complementary in abilities and skills (such as shooting and perimeter length w/ bounce plus an inside man to defend and rebound) to probable roster need and guys who should be around for multiple years so that we have a sophomore wing and big in 2021-2022, junior wing and big in 2022-2023, etc. Instead of, for instance, starting over with just Diallo in the post again for 2021-2022, or possibly not having an experienced wing shooter/scorer on the roster after Ahrens, Washington, and Sueing graduate (I'd be surprised if Gaffney is here 4 years). And so forth.

While I don't fully understand the staff's vision with all the wings/forwards (Do they really want all this overlap at a few positions for the next couple years? Are they expecting some guys to leave? Are we going to have some 5-forward line-ups or something?), I think Brown is a mighty fine player and, honestly, without his injury setback his rankings could be comparable to where Moody's are at now. Zed Key is not a guy that makes me 100% confident in our post situation next season if Kaleb's gone but I will say that I was not even remotely optimistic that we were going to get a 2020 big considerably better than someone like Key... and I will also say that even as a frosh I think Zed Key can give a baseline performance that will help our inside play next season.
I am not super high on Zed in the sense that I don't think he has a high ceiling. As far as Buckeye comps go, something like Terrence Dials is probably the best-case scenario, and in a similar time-frame where you're not going to see a truly major contributor until the upperclassman years.

But I do like Zed in the sense that I think the way he plays, he has a fairly high floor--which is something we might really need from a big next season. His skills still need a lot of refining and his athleticism is fine but nothing special, but he does have appropriate length and motor to help on the interior in terms of defense and rebounds. And he's a fairly savvy player.

I think a lot of fans were looking at this 2020 class, after the excellent 2019 class, as an opportunity for the staff to add a couple 5-star, one-and-done types to really push the roster over the top--call that the instant gratification path. I think the staff saw two paths, neither one necessarily better than the other. They saw that 5-star path and pursued it with a few guys like Boston, Keon, Williams, Barnes, etc. but they also had a 1B, longer term plan for the early signing period of guys they thought they could get locked up who would be complementary in abilities and skills (such as shooting and perimeter length w/ bounce plus an inside man to defend and rebound) to probable roster need and guys who should be around for multiple years so that we have a sophomore wing and big in 2021-2022, junior wing and big in 2022-2023, etc. Instead of, for instance, starting over with just Diallo in the post again for 2021-2022, or possibly not having an experienced wing shooter/scorer on the roster after Ahrens, Washington, and Sueing graduate (I'd be surprised if Gaffney is here 4 years). And so forth.

While I don't fully understand the staff's vision with all the wings/forwards (Do they really want all this overlap at a few positions for the next couple years? Are they expecting some guys to leave? Are we going to have some 5-forward line-ups or something?), I think Brown is a mighty fine player and, honestly, without his injury setback his rankings could be comparable to where Moody's are at now. Zed Key is not a guy that makes me 100% confident in our post situation next season if Kaleb's gone but I will say that I was not even remotely optimistic that we were going to get a 2020 big considerably better than someone like Key... and I will also say that even as a frosh I think Zed Key can give a baseline performance that will help our inside play next season.
Click to expand...
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
 
Upvote 0
nomatta said:
I am not super high on Zed Key in the sense that I don't think he has a high ceiling. As far as Buckeye comps go, something like Terrence Dials is probably the best-case scenario, and in a similar time-frame where you're not going to see a truly major contributor until the upperclassman years.

But I do like Zed in the sense that I think the way he plays, he has a fairly high floor--which is something we might really need from a big next season. His skills still need a lot of refining and his athleticism is fine but nothing special, but he does have appropriate length and motor to help on the interior in terms of defense and rebounds. And he's a fairly savvy player.

I think a lot of fans were looking at this 2020 class, after the excellent 2019 class, as an opportunity for the staff to add a couple 5-star, one-and-done types to really push the roster over the top--call that the instant gratification path. I think the staff saw two paths, neither one necessarily better than the other. They saw that 5-star path and pursued it with a few guys like Boston, Keon, Williams, Barnes, etc. but they also had a 1B, longer term plan for the early signing period of guys they thought they could get locked up who would be complementary in abilities and skills (such as shooting and perimeter length w/ bounce plus an inside man to defend and rebound) to probable roster need and guys who should be around for multiple years so that we have a sophomore wing and big in 2021-2022, junior wing and big in 2022-2023, etc. Instead of, for instance, starting over with just Diallo in the post again for 2021-2022, or possibly not having an experienced wing shooter/scorer on the roster after Ahrens, Washington, and Sueing graduate (I'd be surprised if Gaffney is here 4 years). And so forth.

While I don't fully understand the staff's vision with all the wings/forwards (Do they really want all this overlap at a few positions for the next couple years? Are they expecting some guys to leave? Are we going to have some 5-forward line-ups or something?), I think Brown is a mighty fine player and, honestly, without his injury setback his rankings could be comparable to where Moody's are at now. Zed Key is not a guy that makes me 100% confident in our post situation next season if Kaleb's gone but I will say that I was not even remotely optimistic that we were going to get a 2020 big considerably better than someone like Key... and I will also say that even as a frosh I think Zed Key can give a baseline performance that will help our inside play next season.
I am not super high on Zed in the sense that I don't think he has a high ceiling. As far as Buckeye comps go, something like Terrence Dials is probably the best-case scenario, and in a similar time-frame where you're not going to see a truly major contributor until the upperclassman years.

But I do like Zed in the sense that I think the way he plays, he has a fairly high floor--which is something we might really need from a big next season. His skills still need a lot of refining and his athleticism is fine but nothing special, but he does have appropriate length and motor to help on the interior in terms of defense and rebounds. And he's a fairly savvy player.

I think a lot of fans were looking at this 2020 class, after the excellent 2019 class, as an opportunity for the staff to add a couple 5-star, one-and-done types to really push the roster over the top--call that the instant gratification path. I think the staff saw two paths, neither one necessarily better than the other. They saw that 5-star path and pursued it with a few guys like Boston, Keon, Williams, Barnes, etc. but they also had a 1B, longer term plan for the early signing period of guys they thought they could get locked up who would be complementary in abilities and skills (such as shooting and perimeter length w/ bounce plus an inside man to defend and rebound) to probable roster need and guys who should be around for multiple years so that we have a sophomore wing and big in 2021-2022, junior wing and big in 2022-2023, etc. Instead of, for instance, starting over with just Diallo in the post again for 2021-2022, or possibly not having an experienced wing shooter/scorer on the roster after Ahrens, Washington, and Sueing graduate (I'd be surprised if Gaffney is here 4 years). And so forth.

While I don't fully understand the staff's vision with all the wings/forwards (Do they really want all this overlap at a few positions for the next couple years? Are they expecting some guys to leave? Are we going to have some 5-forward line-ups or something?), I think Brown is a mighty fine player and, honestly, without his injury setback his rankings could be comparable to where Moody's are at now. Zed Key is not a guy that makes me 100% confident in our post situation next season if Kaleb's gone but I will say that I was not even remotely optimistic that we were going to get a 2020 big considerably better than someone like Key... and I will also say that even as a frosh I think Zed Key can give a baseline performance that will help our inside play next season.
Click to expand...
what was that all about :lol:
 
Upvote 0
giphy.gif
 
Upvote 0
This 2020 class is definitely a very interesting class. Have to assume it's done. Transfers out of the program might allow us to pursue a grad transfer big in the spring or something like that, but I'd be surprised if we add another HS player.

But yeah, we needed a big in the class, had a couple OH guys in Loveday and Hugley that are floating in and around the T100 and both of whom our staff has been keeping tabs on for a long time, and instead took a 6'7 (but long) T150-ish PF out of NY who we just recently got involved with and who we brought in for an OV before the likes of Loveday, Williams, etc.

Then, similarly, Eugene Brown III... a lot of people thought if we were taking a wing or forward in the class it would have to be a T50-type or maybe even 5-star. And we were recruiting a fair number of national prospects like that for a long time. BJ Boston, Cam'Ron Fletcher, Jaylen Johnson, Scottie Barnes, got involved strongly with Keon Johnson as soon as Jake Diebler came over. But then after Sueing joined the program most people figured we no longer needed to add a wing in the class and if we did it would really have to be a cream-of-the-crop player. And yet the staff continued to offer wings and got Eugene Brown III in on an early OV, again, and sealed the deal with him rather than wait on T45 Moses Moody, who it seemed they were very much in the running for.

I like Brown a lot. I think his injury probably has held back his game/rankings a bit, but I do think that regardless of whether we needed to add another wing in a general sense, I love that we added a long, athletic perimeter guy who can really shoot, I think that is an asset that might be needed. I think Zed is a very intriguing pick-up. Not at all a traditional center and some people are going to be troubled by that but this is kind of the new "positionless" breed of basketball, of which Holtmann is very much a subscriber, so as long as Holt is our coach you are probably going to have to get used to your prototypical, classical ideals for PGs and SGs and SFs and PFs and Cs not necessarily being fulfilled on this OSU team.

But this class is very interesting because it's not a class that OSU fans who really follow the basketball recruiting could have even imagined as recently as just a couple months ago. A couple OOS, non-T100 guys who we got in on late, who the staff suddenly decided to prioritize at the same time that they were chasing "bigger fish," and who we accepted commitments from because they visited and wanted in before most of the rest of our 2020 targets made it to our campus for Fall OVs.

2020 has a 2018 class vibe to it. Foundational, long-term guys (if they want to stick around and be that) that will precursor a 2021 class that will likely echo our 2019 class in terms of being of T15-ish quality. Wouldn't be surprised if that is something of a repeating pattern during Holtmann's tenure.
 
Upvote 0
2020-21 (14)

carton (so)
walker (sr)
-
washington (jr)
muhammad (jr)
-
jallow (sr)
ahrens (jr)
brown (fr)
sueing (jr)
-
liddell (so)
gaffney (so)
young (sr)
-
key (fr)
kaleb (sr)(?)
diallo (so)




2021-22 (14)

carton (jr)
meechie (fr)
-
washington (sr)
muhammad (sr)
(2021 wing, fr)
-
ahrens (sr)
brown (so)
sueing (sr)
etzler (fr)
-
liddell (jr)
gaffney (jr)
-
key (so)
(2021 post, fr)
diallo (jr)
 
Upvote 0
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top