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Oregon at tOSU, Sep 11th, Noon ET on Fox

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pnuts34 said:
I can bet that OSU-Oregon gets the highest ratings too...
The OSU brand is massive, and time doesn't really matter. And I believe that the Fox noon game is their big time slot.
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Yeah, OSU fans and haters don't care when the game is played, they'll be there. But that misses the point. You want the market beyond your base. Play the game at 3, play it at 8. There are only four games in CFB that rise to the level of interesting: USC - Stanford, Iowa - Iowa State, Washington at Michigan, and Oregon at OSU and you put the most interesting game on first? No wonder OSU - Oregon will have the biggest audience despite playing at noon EST when the rest of 2020 top ten are doing this: the Mercer Bears at 'bama, Georgia hosts UAB, USF at Florida, Clemson hosts South Carolina State, and Notre Dame hosts Toledo.

There are reasons - recruiting reasons - why Urban liked night games, reasons, recruiting reasons, why ND never plays USC or Stanford at 12 EST, reasons why the Semi-Final and Super Bowl games start at 4PM or later, reasons why MLB did away with World Series day games, why the NBA playoffs are stretched out so that all the games can be played after 5 EST.

IMO, it's just a continuing philosophy/mindset at Big Ten Headquarters, that the product isn't capable of demanding respect so you refuse to play night games in November and you let sunbelt tourism run the CFB playoff site system. Grow a pair.
 
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cincibuck said:
... Grow a pair.
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Your last sentence there makes it sound like you’re attributing their behavior to cowardice

Isn’t it possible that the more reasonable explanation is hubris? Doesn’t hubris seem to play a role in a lot of their decisions?

I don’t care much either way. The size of the brand, both of the university and the conference, mean nothing to me. I care whether the football team wins. I care a little if the basketball team is good, but I haven’t seen them play in years and haven’t watched a full game in decades. Literally anything else about the university is meaningless to me, and it would not be possible to exaggerate the magnitude of the crap that I do not give about the conference.
 
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cincibuck said:
Yeah, OSU fans and haters don't care when the game is played, they'll be there. But that misses the point. You want the market beyond your base. Play the game at 3, play it at 8. There are only four games in CFB that rise to the level of interesting: USC - Stanford, Iowa - Iowa State, Washington at Michigan, and Oregon at OSU and you put the most interesting game on first? No wonder OSU - Oregon will have the biggest audience despite playing at noon EST when the rest of 2020 top ten are doing this: the Mercer Bears at 'bama, Georgia hosts UAB, USF at Florida, Clemson hosts South Carolina State, and Notre Dame hosts Toledo.

There are reasons - recruiting reasons - why Urban liked night games, reasons, recruiting reasons, why ND never plays USC or Stanford at 12 EST, reasons why the Semi-Final and Super Bowl games start at 4PM or later, reasons why MLB did away with World Series day games, why the NBA playoffs are stretched out so that all the games can be played after 5 EST.

IMO, it's just a continuing philosophy/mindset at Big Ten Headquarters, that the product isn't capable of demanding respect so you refuse to play night games in November and you let sunbelt tourism run the CFB playoff site system. Grow a pair.
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That's 2 contradictory statements. Our haters= fan base, so people who aren't fans of OSU in fact does reach beyond our market base...

OSU has some of the highest ratings year in and year out. The Game is almost no seen as rivalry anymore in the national landscape, yet every year its one of the highest rated regular season games. OSU could play in a MACtion time schedule at 9pm on a Thursday and still have tremendous ratings. And I'm not sure what the B1G is supposed to do when one of the biggest CFB programmers puts OSU in its prime time slot(https://fansided.com/2019/05/14/fox-college-football-game-of-the-week-noon-start/). Are they supposed to put them in an undesired time slot to appease the east coast and midwest fans solely? Fox sports has also made OSU their big focus in 2019(7 of 16 weeks), and a number of our games were televised at noon and there was no problem then.

You're complaining about OSU being on TV in a slot where almost every school in America would kill to be in...
 
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pnuts34 said:
That's 2 contradictory statements. Our haters= fan base, so people who aren't fans of OSU in fact does reach beyond our market base...

OSU has some of the highest ratings year in and year out. The Game is almost no seen as rivalry anymore in the national landscape, yet every year its one of the highest rated regular season games. OSU could play in a MACtion time schedule at 9pm on a Thursday and still have tremendous ratings. And I'm not sure what the B1G is supposed to do when one of the biggest CFB programmers puts OSU in its prime time slot(https://fansided.com/2019/05/14/fox-college-football-game-of-the-week-noon-start/). Are they supposed to put them in an undesired time slot to appease the east coast and midwest fans solely? Fox sports has also made OSU their big focus in 2019(7 of 16 weeks), and a number of our games were televised at noon and there was no problem then.

You're complaining about OSU being on TV in a slot where almost every school in America would kill to be in...
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OK, I see your point about contradiction - I used haters as part of the base. Perhaps that makes me a part of the ND and Dallas Cowboys base as I tape or watch games when I think they'll get beat. I'm sure there are Michigan and ND fans who do the same when they think there's a chance the Buckeyes will get beat. The point is that haters DO add to your TV numbers.

The Game is a matter all to itself. Nebraska - Oklahoma is no more. Texas - aTm same, same. USC - UCLA couldn't keep up. In a way, all of those games were done in by the sustained success of Michigan - Ohio State. Yes, the last two games were blowouts, but of the 19 games since 2000, one went to overtime, one came down to a 2-point try for the win, and most have still been close into the 4th quarter.

Yeah, be happy the Bucks are given a national slot even if it is at 12. As one who remembers the years when the Bucks only got one or two games on TV, 12 sure beats a sharp stick in the eye. But from my limited viewpoint, I think the Big Ten allows itself to get pushed around when it comes to 12 o'clock games, the playoffs, November games, and ooc games with sunbelt teams who can't go further from home than Jerry's place in Dallas for fear of getting cold or their fans having to shell out travel bucks. Call it hubris - though I tend to connect hubris with arrogance - or cowardice - fear you won't get anything if you don't accept what's being offered.
 
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cincibuck said:
OK, I see your point about contradiction - I used haters as part of the base. Perhaps that makes me a part of the ND and Dallas Cowboys base as I tape or watch games when I think they'll get beat. I'm sure there are Michigan and ND fans who do the same when they think there's a chance the Buckeyes will get beat. The point is that haters DO add to your TV numbers.

The Game is a matter all to itself. Nebraska - Oklahoma is no more. Texas - aTm same, same. USC - UCLA couldn't keep up. In a way, all of those games were done in by the sustained success of Michigan - Ohio State. Yes, the last two games were blowouts, but of the 19 games since 2000, one went to overtime, one came down to a 2-point try for the win, and most have still been close into the 4th quarter.

Yeah, be happy the Bucks are given a national slot even if it is at 12. As one who remembers the years when the Bucks only got one or two games on TV, 12 sure beats a sharp stick in the eye. But from my limited viewpoint, I think the Big Ten allows itself to get pushed around when it comes to 12 o'clock games, the playoffs, November games, and ooc games with sunbelt teams who can't go further from home than Jerry's place in Dallas for fear of getting cold or their fans having to shell out travel bucks. Call it hubris - though I tend to connect hubris with arrogance - or cowardice - fear you won't get anything if you don't accept what's being offered.
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But not just scUM and ND fans, OSU moves the needle and makes a ton of money for bars! I've been to countless bars outside of OH and the bars will play an OSU game because they know people will stay tuned to either see OSU lose, or because there's a local kid from that city that plays for OSU. OSU is recruiting at a national level, and there are a number of places that root for the player and in turn that makes ratings for the Buckeyes. And also, I know a good number of people who aren't even fans of B1G teams but cheer against OSU because my friends are dicks, and that also gives us ratings. OSU, Bama, Clemson and OU are like Floyd Mayweather in boxing, whether you hate him or love him you tune in, and he wins regardless. And networks fall over themselves to schedule OSU as their premier game, whether that's ESPN or Fox
 
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pnuts34 said:
But not just scUM and ND fans, OSU moves the needle and makes a ton of money for bars! I've been to countless bars outside of OH and the bars will play an OSU game because they know people will stay tuned to either see OSU lose, or because there's a local kid from that city that plays for OSU. OSU is recruiting at a national level, and there are a number of places that root for the player and in turn that makes ratings for the Buckeyes. And also, I know a good number of people who aren't even fans of B1G teams but cheer against OSU because my friends are dicks, and that also gives us ratings. OSU, Bama, Clemson and OU are like Floyd Mayweather in boxing, whether you hate him or love him you tune in, and he wins regardless. And networks fall over themselves to schedule OSU as their premier game, whether that's ESPN or Fox
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kind of makes my case against 12 o’clock starts. What bar 10 miles outside of Ann Arbor wants Michigan v Washington game on instead of the Bucks v Ducks just when the bar flies are starting to get lit up?
 
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LitlBuck said:
An article just for you from Lettermen Row
https://lettermenrow.com/ohio-state...s-football-oregon-kickoff-noon-fox-broadcast/
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From the article, i.e. the network "calls the shots":

There is no gamesmanship from Ohio State. There is no concerted effort from the Buckeyes to move up start times in the Horseshoe. And there is really no choice at all to be made by athletic director Gene Smith.

This is strictly business. And for both FOX and the Buckeyes, right now it’s booming thanks in large part to the decision to embrace Big Noon Kickoffs and the massive contract that allows the network to control when it wants to schedule its most marquee matchups.

Sure, if Ohio State begged for more primetime opportunities, there’s at least a chance that the broadcast partners would make an effort to help out. But the Buckeyes really have no incentive to do so — and neither does FOX.

The Buckeyes are drawing huge ratings in that early window, which is clearly going to make both sides happy. Whatever slight complications might arise from getting recruits to campus or missing out on a fireworks show at night is made up on the backend by having the most-watched games in the country year after year. Plus, Ohio State coaches get chances after the game to spend more time with visitors and their own families, while the players benefit from getting a head start on recovery and prep time for the next game.
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Make no mistake: Whenever the network has a chance to pick an Ohio State game, it’s going to leap at the chance — and it’s going to plug that matchup into the spot where it has found a way to establish and grow a consistent audience.
 
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In essence, why go up against the SEC at 3 and 7 if you can own noon? It doesn’t make sense to me, but if it makes Fox and Coach Day happy, who am I to disagree. Let’s just say 12 o’clock starts suck IMO.
 
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FanDuel starts the Buckeyes out as 9 point favorites against the Ducks. It's the smallest spread for any Ohio State game on the board at the time of this post.

Other games

Indiana -11
Pedsters -11.5
TTUN -10​
 
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Ohio State is 9-0 all-time against Oregon. Their first meeting took place in the Rose Bowl in 1958, which the Buckeyes won 10-7. Their most recent matchup took place in the 2015 College Football Playoff National Championship Game, which Ohio State won 42-20.
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What's the best thing about being 9-0 (all-time) vs Oregon?

You have a good chance at going 10-0....:boogie:
 
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