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Sure, there are people to blame. Davis knew the rule and chose to break it, and was rightly punished. I think a fine would have been more appropriate than a suspension, but hey--that's just me. His wife was probably being overly boisterous. The fan had to have said something. They're all to blame. Anyway, as far as subjective examination of the situation...I don't see why we can't. My least favorite word in the entire English language is 'policy'. He touched no one, he did nothing. You have to be subjective. What happens when a player leaps into the stands going after a loose ball? Nothing, right? We're not computers. There was no algorithm for how many games Davis was going to miss. Stern thought about it and made a decision. Just like Davis thought about the risk/reward of addressing a problem that he found - at the time - worthy of his personal attention. Funny thing is, the main purpose of my post was not to defend Davis, but rather to make it clear how pointless and trivial the entire situation is. There's no reason for anyone to be upset. None.
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EdDantes22
Keira Knightley's Future Husband
So you're argument is that, because he thought Mrs. Davis would lie about the altercation to security, he should call security over himself? If she wanted to lie about him to the stadium cops, wouldn't she have wanted them to come over? It's obvious if you watch the video that she did not. Whatever she did to him, she didn't want the situation to escalate any further. So, yeah, it was over. Unless you're a whiny former 3rd grade glue monitor who wants to see her miss recess because she called you names, yes, the situation is over.
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So then in this arguement if he wanted to give her one punch in the face because she was yelling at him then it would be okay because he didn't want it to escalate beyond that one punch.
Your arguement has the be one of the dumbest arguements ever. Like Tibor said if I paid for those seats and some crazy bitch starts yelling at me and shaking her finger at me, damn staight I am calling security.
Hell did he even know it was Davis's wife when the thing started?
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OH10
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The situation is not trivial and it certainly has a very important point. The NBA's "policy" that players not go into the stands is being tested here, and the NBA has passed that test. Now the message has been sent. No matter the benign rationale for going into the stands, you are looking at a multiple game suspension. The responsibility has been placed on the player to abide by this rule. Just because nothing happened the other night as a result does not mean that something couldn't have happened.
I hate to make the comparison because clearly it does not fit from a mental culpability stand point. But consider a drunk driver that drives his wife to the hospital who is in labor, makes it there safely, and no one was hurt. Yeah, sure, the driver knew he broke the law, but no one was harmed so who cares?
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Here's my policy: It's not a lie unless you can prove it, and it's not a crime unless I get caught.
But that's beside the point. The policy is flat and without exception, which - as it does with all such policies - means it is inherently flawed. I guarantee we could sit here and figure out a set of circumstances under which a player would be more than justified in entering the stands. Have we seen such a set to this point? I wouldn't say so. And I agree that Davis' suspension, while a bit more harsh than I had predicted, was not entirely unreasonable. My point throughout has been that this was not at all a major issue. No personal harm whatsoever came to anyone, except perhaps the fan. That fan - Opie, or whatever - has filed his laughable little lawsuit, it'll get thrown out, and he'll end up looking like more of a jackass than he already did. Hopefully the next uproar will come over someone doing the hokey fucking pokey over the 'magic line' where the floor ends and the fans' sanctuary begins. What'll it be...ten grand for every foot put 'in'?
Here's the real question: Would Davis have been suspended for five games if the Detroit debacle had never taken place?
But that's beside the point. The policy is flat and without exception, which - as it does with all such policies - means it is inherently flawed. I guarantee we could sit here and figure out a set of circumstances under which a player would be more than justified in entering the stands. Have we seen such a set to this point? I wouldn't say so. And I agree that Davis' suspension, while a bit more harsh than I had predicted, was not entirely unreasonable. My point throughout has been that this was not at all a major issue. No personal harm whatsoever came to anyone, except perhaps the fan. That fan - Opie, or whatever - has filed his laughable little lawsuit, it'll get thrown out, and he'll end up looking like more of a jackass than he already did. Hopefully the next uproar will come over someone doing the hokey fucking pokey over the 'magic line' where the floor ends and the fans' sanctuary begins. What'll it be...ten grand for every foot put 'in'?
Here's the real question: Would Davis have been suspended for five games if the Detroit debacle had never taken place?
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No, that's not my argument at all. First, note this little quote "whether it was his intention or not". I doubt his intent was to call the cops over so they could make sure he wasn't harassing her.EdDantes22 said:
Second, I'm not saying she would lie to the stadium cops. I'm saying she would lie. Maybe she would have gone to them after the game. Maybe she would have gotten into it with him and her husband wouldve jumped into the crowd and kicked his ass, then later she could lie about what happened. He did the right thing.
Third, she didn't want it to escalate any further because she was the cause of it. Calling the security guards over was the REASON it was dissolved once they got there.
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EdDantes22
Keira Knightley's Future Husband
I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion about punches and whatnot. Physical violence is a lot different than some harmless banter. Now, if I find out for certain that Mrs. Davis did strike him, I'll change my tune. But for now, my "arguement" remains: the fan's actions, just as much as Davis' or his wife, caused the situation to escalate to the point it's at now, and his lawsuit further exacerbates the issue.
That's a funny image, by the way. Some "crazy bitch" yelling at you and wagging her finger while you cower behind a security guard, clinging to his leg like a scared child.
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