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One wish for the offense

If you could fix one thing offensively, what would it be?


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Too many problems...

to solve with one vote.

Bring in a proven Offensive Coordinator, pay the man, and start maximizing the supremely talented weapons that the Buckeyes have.

If the trend continues of play calling to open up the punt, or special teams opening up the field goal, the talented recruits will look elsewhere (see Thad Matta for example of what young kids look for).

Underachieving offenses in the bottom half of NCAA production + a great defense + great special teams will NOT get it done against elite teams.
 
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I went with QB vision and patience. I think that we have a pretty fair balance of runs vs. passes called. When we run, we haven't had any homeruns, but we generally pick up 3-6 yards. However, when we pass, it seems that the QB is either quickly dumping it off to the short route receiver or tucking and running. The QB seems to be doing these things well before he has serious pressure on him most of the time. Also, there has been more occasions that I am comfortable with that a receiver running a deeper route comes open and not seen by the QB. A lot of times it's easy to watch a pass play and say "that's a bad play", but there are multiple options for the QB in that pass play...we just see the option that the QB chose.
 
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I went with QB vision and patience. I think that we have a pretty fair balance of runs vs. passes called. When we run, we haven't had any homeruns, but we generally pick up 3-6 yards. However, when we pass, it seems that the QB is either quickly dumping it off to the short route receiver or tucking and running. The QB seems to be doing these things well before he has serious pressure on him most of the time. Also, there has been more occasions that I am comfortable with that a receiver running a deeper route comes open and not seen by the QB. A lot of times it's easy to watch a pass play and say "that's a bad play", but there are multiple options for the QB in that pass play...we just see the option that the QB chose.

I have been impressed with Smith and Zwick pulling the ball down and running when the routes are not there. Yes, they have made a few mistakes and at times look like they are trying to hit the defender in the numbers, but when their receivers get jumped or it is not there, they have done a nice job not forcing it in there.

On a side note, it seems like our routes are rarely open. Why is that?

A. Are the routes that poor? Doubt it. Gonzo and Holmes are technicians.
B. Do we lack seperation speed?:biggrin:
C. Are defenses overplaying the pass? Maybe, well, then we should gash tem with the run game.
D. Is the play design and/or play calling that poor? Well, we rarely crack the top 50 in offensive production. That must be it.
 
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Of this list, I think QB vision and patience is the thing. Too many seconary receivers open and missed. I don't think its the play calling because we're not even executing the vanilla stuff yet. I think it will come right.
 
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Better play calling, period.
Be it with a better OC, or JT really studying offensive schemes, it all comes down to the play calling.
Did we even try a single downfield pass last week?
We might have tried one, I dont remember, I was just trying to stay awake with the offense on the field :(
 
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I'd like to see our offense play with some ATTITUDE. Roy Hall has shown some and so has Pittman on occasion. A lot of folks have talked about the confidence that TS brings to the offense. I didn't see it yesterday. I want the offensive line firing and the team just daring the defense to stop us from doing whatever we want.
 
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I'd like to see our offense play with some ATTITUDE. Roy Hall has shown some and so has Pittman on occasion. A lot of folks have talked about the confidence that TS brings to the offense. I didn't see it yesterday. I want the offensive line firing and the team just daring the defense to stop us from doing whatever we want.

I am totally with you on the attitude thing. There were times yesterday where I found myself sitting in my seat bored, and that's not how it should be. The offense didn't seem fired up by any means whatsoever. I think the offense needs to play with more passion. The pieces are there, but we need to put the puzzle together. I went with QB vision and patience because it seems to me that Smith lacks versatility. He either throws it to his #1 man in the play desig or runs the ball. Many times there are other receivers getting open but he isnt waiting to find them.
 
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One part of the answer?

The lack of offensive production probably has no simple answer but maybe actually using our depth of quality players is one part. Along with SH, TGII and AG, we also have Dukes, Robiskie, etc. A few fly patterns alternating those guys will either gas the cb's or bring in second stringers. Likewise, although I think AP is a good back, I don't think he is durable enough for 20 carries. Alternating him with Haw and maybe Wells as a third down back would help the running game? Also, I think we are beginning to see more rotation on the OL, with Rerhing, Boone and Conroy getting some time. I think that is a good sign. Could this be one piece of the answer?
 
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The lack of offensive production probably has no simple answer but maybe actually using our depth of quality players is one part. Along with SH, TGII and AG, we also have Dukes, Robiskie, etc. A few fly patterns alternating those guys will either gas the cb's or bring in second stringers. Likewise, although I think AP is a good back, I don't think he is durable enough for 20 carries. Alternating him with Haw and maybe Wells as a third down back would help the running game? Also, I think we are beginning to see more rotation on the OL, with Rerhing, Boone and Conroy getting some time. I think that is a good sign. Could this be one piece of the answer?

Umm.... no. Why? 'Cause they're doing that already. (Just cause you don't see it on TV doesn't mean the WR's aren't ever running long, they are.)

What'll work - Troy getting in sinc with the O.
 
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Of this list, I think QB vision and patience is the thing. Too many seconary receivers open and missed. I don't think its the play calling because we're not even executing the vanilla stuff yet. I think it will come right.
Agree 100%. Let's not be so quick to declare that the sky is falling.

The offense was crisp and efficient in the opener against Miami. Aside from the busted protection that resulted in Zwick throwing the red zone INT, a few drops prevented Zwick from completing 100% of his passes. The routes were there, the receivers were open, and Zwick got them the ball on time. The receivers still have to catch the ball.

Game two against Texas was more of the same. Zwick was, I thought, very sharp, but the receiver drops hamstrung the offense and resulted in a heartbreaking loss. Smith showed some rust, and preparation and lack of practice snaps contributed heavily in the loss.

Game three against SDSU, goes right back to QB play coupled with dropped passes. A third of Troy's passes were skipped off the turf, another third were just flat out dropped. Aside from the offensive fits, the defense was superb. Outside of the blown coverage on the first play, the Bucks held SDSU to 95 yards and 3 first downs.

It's the same problem as last year, and it isn't the playcalling or the offensive philosophy. The players just aren't executing the base offense. I think we'll see a little more creativity once the offense learns to run the first ten base plays correctly, and a lot of that will be dependant on everyone being patient while Troy gets back up to speed with the game. He's forcing the intermediate throws and leaving the quick outs short.

What I want to see is some of the Woody Hayes' mentality, whether it's power, speed, spread, option, whatever ... the offense needs to find ten plays and run them to perfection. This is what we do, now try and stop it.

My biggest concern with this team is actually the lack of leadership. Who is going to be the voice of the team in the locker room, like Matthews was? Who is going to make the game winning play on the field when the offense needs just one play, like Krenzel, Jenkins, Hartsock or Gamble? When the team is down and the crowd is groaning 'here we go again,' who is going to jump up and down on the sideline and wave a towell and fire everyone up like Clarett did against UM in 2002? Who is going to do something as simple as sing a stirring rendition of Carmen Ohio pregame and motivate the team, like Cie Grant?

I look up and down the roster and watch the players on the field and I just don't see it. This team is still hungover from the exodus of players from the 2002 and 2003 teams. The talent is unquestionably better, but everybody is looking at everybody else to make the game winning play.

Another bad loss and I think this team will be at each other like they were following the loss to Iowa last year.
 
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Actually, as much as I like and respect BKB, I don't agree with the "it's the QB" analysis. Oh sure, playing musical quarterbacks hasn't helped a damned thing, that's for sure, but if you look back over the Tressel years, the offense really rolls up points in games where there's an effective runner.

Now, occasionally that runner has been the QB, RB, or slot-Ginn, but the box scores tell the tale...when OSU hangs 30+ points on a team, they were moving the ball on the ground effectively (meaning 200+ yards).

Whether that loosens up Tressel's play calling by putting him in better down-and-distance scenarios, or whether that loosens up the secondary who are now concerned with run support as well as coverage, I'm not sure. Maybe it's both, and maybe it's other factors. The correlation is pretty clear as is the conclusion -- OSU needs improvement in the running game to open up the passing game. We can theorize all we want as to why the reverse can't be true, but four years of history shows us that it's not. Every paltry offensive performance by this team has had one aspect in common -- a mediocre or lousy box score next to "Rushing".

It's my opinion that THAT is the reason why Tressel went with Troy Smith as the starter, to get more rushing yardage. That, and he thinks that Smith gives the team the best shot against scUM (he still does, btw).
 
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Actually, as much as I like and respect BKB, I don't agree with the "it's the QB" analysis. Oh sure, playing musical quarterbacks hasn't helped a damned thing, that's for sure, but if you look back over the Tressel years, the offense really rolls up points in games where there's an effective runner.

Now, occasionally that runner has been the QB, RB, or slot-Ginn, but the box scores tell the tale...when OSU hangs 30+ points on a team, they were moving the ball on the ground effectively (meaning 200+ yards).

Whether that loosens up Tressel's play calling by putting him in better down-and-distance scenarios, or whether that loosens up the secondary who are now concerned with run support as well as coverage, I'm not sure. Maybe it's both, and maybe it's other factors. The correlation is pretty clear as is the conclusion -- OSU needs improvement in the running game to open up the passing game. We can theorize all we want as to why the reverse can't be true, but four years of history shows us that it's not. Every paltry offensive performance by this team has had one aspect in common -- a mediocre or lousy box score next to "Rushing".

It's my opinion that THAT is the reason why Tressel went with Troy Smith as the starter, to get more rushing yardage. That, and he thinks that Smith gives the team the best shot against scUM (he still does, btw).

I think he went with Smith because the team responds to him better.... I don't mean to sound like it's all just QB jellin that'll be the end all of OSU's O problems, but I think that's a big chunk of the problem. Maybe I have my blinders on, but I really don't think Smith is quite game ready at this point. He's not looking at his WR options correctly. I think the game is moving a little too fast for him, yet. It'll slow as he gets back in rythem.

If it's true you improve most between games 1 and 2, then Smith should be ready to go against Iowa (Yes, I realize he played v. Texas, but I'm not counting that for 2 reasons.. 1) it was split time... 2) it makes my improvement theory make sense.. lol)
 
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