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One Gargantuan ND Outhouse of a Thread (MERGED)

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I try not to be biased when concerning ohio state athletics. They weren't very good last year until the end of the season but i am willing to admit that. Please notre dame fans, realize that your program is not good. Maybe it is academics or the strength of schedule whatever. But, you can't have the best of both worlds, change things around at notre dame or dont complain. Stop living in the 1950s.
 
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One more thing to add to my list of reasons to hate ND.

Dennis Dodd has a different take on this. ND's max payout is much less.

Notebook: BCS no longer as sweet a deal for Irish

SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. -- In some people's eyes, Notre Dame's new BCS status might be matching its football status.

Second tier.
Beginning in 2006, the maximum Notre Dame can earn from a BCS appearance is $4.5 million. That's the same amount currently earned by second teams from conferences in BCS bowls.

BCS coordinator Kevin Weiberg made the announcement as the annual BCS meetings wrapped up on Wednesday.

The $4.5 million represents a decrease of approximately $10 million per appearance Notre Dame earned under the old BCS agreement that expires after the 2005 season. The school essentially traded an all-or-nothing shot at a $14 million pot of gold for guaranteed income each year.

In years that Notre Dame does not play in a BCS game, it will earn approximately $1 million, essentially equal to a minimum share received by each BCS conference school.

That means beginning in 2006, Notre Dame could play in a BCS bowl once every 10 years and not make as much money it did in 2001 for its one Fiesta Bowl appearance under the current parameters ($14 million vs. $13.5 million). That 2001 Fiesta Bowl remains Notre Dame's only BCS game in the seven years the system has been used.

Also, the standards for the Irish to qualify for a BCS game will be slightly different.

Going forward, Notre Dame will have to finish in the top eight of the BCS standings to get an automatic berth. It can still be considered for a BCS bowl if it finishes ninth through 12th.

Under current standards, Notre Dame must finish in the top six to get an automatic berth. If a non-BCS school qualifies in the top six (in 2004, it was Utah), Notre Dame has to finish in the top 10 or win at least nine games.

Beginning in 2006, those non-BCS schools have to finish only in the top 12 or higher than the lowest-ranked BCS conference champion (if that champion is ranked higher than No. 17).

The changes seem to be a net loss for Notre Dame, but given its recent football fortunes, it doesn't have much leverage.

"They've accepted that, it's something we agreed to," Weiberg said.
 
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What this sounds like is new math:

ND + BCS = Collegiate Football Welfare.

They are not part of a conference - thus you could argue that the $1MM pay-out when they do squat is a wash with the conference share conferred on less winning programs by virtue of BCS appearances by the conference winners.

However, I don't buy that premise, not for $1 let alone $1MM dollars.
The barrier for entry to the $4.5MM club for ND is lower than it was previously.
The impact of not getting a BCS bowl is a seven figure payout without having to warm up the team bus or buy the hotel acccommodations for team or band.
Moreover, as written ND could go to another lesser bowl, keep the one million and get two pay-days.
Nope, this looks like welfare, walks like welfare, it is welfare.
While I defend the right of ND to exact however large a slice of pie they can, I decry the co-dependent pandering permeating this cozy ND-BCS deal.
I don't know who should be more ashamed of this deal, the BCS or ND.


Play like a champion? Somehow, that does not fit this deal.
 
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A: I won't get started on Quinn as a person, but...

B: He has sucked it up at the QB spot the last two seasons. He came in on his high horse and started as a true frosh and couldn't read routes to save his life. He's just as inconsistent as the last however many QBs ND has had in the past decade. His receivers are average quality at best (perhaps a top 40 corps in the nation) and his cannon for an arm has not benefitted him at all yet because he doesn't know how to use it.

C: I think Walker will be decent...but that's a side note. Quinn will still blow it every third play or so. This kid put together about 6 solid drives all last year. I couldn't count on the entire county of Athens' fingers and toes how many open receivers he must have missed or overshot. There's WAY too many talented players in the nation this season to even attempt at squeezing his name into the candidacy.
 
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sandgk said:
I don't know who should be more ashamed of this deal, the BCS or ND.
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The answer to this question is BOTH.

This being said, I'll be the first to admit that this entire concept makes me want to projectile vomit. But then again, just about any back patting that ND gets from any external source (media, ncaa, dillusional fanbase) makes me sick. THOUGH...there is a certain hideously gorgeous beauty to having ND around. I mean, if you really think about it, every sport needs an ND. A darling with plenty of past but no present and no future. They're a fun target and in my opinion an enigma of sorts in that they STILL keep their fans, some recruits, and the media still obsess over them after a decade of gridiron laughter.

CHEERS to having ND around...I don't know who I'd despise with such passion without them.
 
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You know.. for as much as everyone wants ND to comes around... you can't force someone to work if you pay them to sit on their ass...

same goes towards this..

You can't make a team be good, if you pay them to suck ass.
 
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If ND does exist, and, now it appears it does, Rockne must be chortling somewhere above (or below)Touchdown Jesus.

This is not a positive move for college football. A subjective value has been applied unilaterally to a "non-conference" sports program. In fact, all bcs (no caps intentional), eligible programs pitch-in to subsidize ND...every year, until someone comes to their senses.

One ponders the political and economic pressures that led to this very short-sighted bcs decision? Wouldn't the ADs of other bcs-eligible programs enjoy an extra $1M each year, regardless of where they finish the season?
 
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Actually, from what I heard on the radio earlier, this sounds like it might actually be a worse deal for Notre Dame. If they somehow manage to win a BCS game under this new agreement, they will receive $4.5 million versus under the old agreement, in which they would have received $16 million. This is Notre Dame realizing that they aren't going to be making man BCS games, so they might as well take any money they can get. If I heard correctly, it also makes it more difficult for them to get a BCS nod than it was under the old agreement. (I may have misunderstood this part, so don't take my word for it)


However, the fact that they make ANY special arrangements with ND is still irritating as all hell.
 
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