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SanClementeBuck
Heisman
The only game I ever witnessed in decades, where Bucks quit. Couldn't believe it & still can't.
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The 98 MSU game was worse because of what it cost us and the odds against it with our roster and all of that, but for a single game only, without the other stuff...the AFA game was the worst game in program history, as far as I'm concerned.
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
I say congratulations to John Cooper. His record against Michigan and in Bowl Games (needless to say) sucked pretty badly. But I liked him. I thought that he needed to pump up his players in those games - Michigan wasn't the better team, they just wanted the win more. And I thought he was coming along, and when he was fired, I was a little frustrated about it. I thought that the Bucks would go through a couple years of poor recruiting, because the recruits wouldn't know anything about a new coach. (That was my theory, anyway.)
They say hindsight is 20/20, and I've since changed my mind. Tressel became more Ohio State football in his first year than Cooper ever was in his 13 years, and if I knew then what I know now, I'd be first in line to declare that Cooper get fired. But the guy coached teams that won 43 games in a span of 4 years. That's a lot of wins in college football. The only reason Tressel has been able to tie that number is because he had the opportunity to win 14 games in one season.
They say hindsight is 20/20, and I've since changed my mind. Tressel became more Ohio State football in his first year than Cooper ever was in his 13 years, and if I knew then what I know now, I'd be first in line to declare that Cooper get fired. But the guy coached teams that won 43 games in a span of 4 years. That's a lot of wins in college football. The only reason Tressel has been able to tie that number is because he had the opportunity to win 14 games in one season.
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Amen.
There have been several major losses over the years by all OSU coaches that just hurt like hell. However, AFA was the closest I have ever come to being truely embarassed to associated with OSU. His swan song at the Outback Bowl was a close second. I hate him for making me feel that way if nothing else.
Coop should have been fired that night before the plane ever landed back in Columbus. My theory has always been, that because the admins had fucked up the Bruce firing so badly and didn't want the program to appear a coaching graveyard again, we got an extra decade of hot tub John and the "oh shit they have as much talent as we do" look.
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aesculus glabra
officious intermeddler
I have wondered this myself. The comment about his "look" is spot on.
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Not in the same league, but the Outback Bowl vs. South Carolina was no picnic to watch either. My memory of Coop will ultimately be that of a man that could assemble awesome talent, beat up on marginal opponents but ultimately fail to get the job done when it really counted, with one magnificent exception being the '97 Rose Bowl.
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CarmanOhio
Rookie
oh brother....
The problem with the Liberty Bowl air force game is that the entire time leading up to the game the team bad-mouthed the bowl and air force. They kept saying they were better than that and deserved to be somewhere else. They talked and acted like whiners, about going to this bowl game. As a band member during this time I can tell you that few people down in Memphis looked forward to us being there and rightfully so. After weeks of this they took the field and played like they didn't want to be there. It was horrible watching your team just not give a damn. Air Force beat us up and gave us what we deserved.
It is things like the above that make me dislike Cooper's time as coach. While working at the stadium I heard him say things behind closed doors and on the field that just made me not respect the man as a coach.
The things I really like about Tressel are the things Cooper appeared to thumb his nose at. The Traditions, the Ohio State experience, Football Saturday being more than just the 60 minutes of football, but instead an all day experience (I feel this helps the players get fired up). Am I biased as a former band member because Tressel includes the band, heck yea! It does not change the fact that I felt Cooper did not acknowledge or care about the OSU traditions and rituals, not just ones that involved the band.
Can we erase his years as head coach, no. Did he being in a ton of talent, yes. Do I have to be happy with what he did with that talent, no. Do I think he supports the school and the Columbus area, yes. I believe, as others have said, that he was just not a good fit for Ohio State/me.
I wish him well as a former Ohio State coach. He compiled some nice stats and helped some guys get to the NFL. He just never "drank the Kool-Aid" of being a Buckeye homer, and I guess that Ohio State passion and love is something I like to see in a head coach.
The problem with the Liberty Bowl air force game is that the entire time leading up to the game the team bad-mouthed the bowl and air force. They kept saying they were better than that and deserved to be somewhere else. They talked and acted like whiners, about going to this bowl game. As a band member during this time I can tell you that few people down in Memphis looked forward to us being there and rightfully so. After weeks of this they took the field and played like they didn't want to be there. It was horrible watching your team just not give a damn. Air Force beat us up and gave us what we deserved.
It is things like the above that make me dislike Cooper's time as coach. While working at the stadium I heard him say things behind closed doors and on the field that just made me not respect the man as a coach.
The things I really like about Tressel are the things Cooper appeared to thumb his nose at. The Traditions, the Ohio State experience, Football Saturday being more than just the 60 minutes of football, but instead an all day experience (I feel this helps the players get fired up). Am I biased as a former band member because Tressel includes the band, heck yea! It does not change the fact that I felt Cooper did not acknowledge or care about the OSU traditions and rituals, not just ones that involved the band.
Can we erase his years as head coach, no. Did he being in a ton of talent, yes. Do I have to be happy with what he did with that talent, no. Do I think he supports the school and the Columbus area, yes. I believe, as others have said, that he was just not a good fit for Ohio State/me.
I wish him well as a former Ohio State coach. He compiled some nice stats and helped some guys get to the NFL. He just never "drank the Kool-Aid" of being a Buckeye homer, and I guess that Ohio State passion and love is something I like to see in a head coach.
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Oh good lord. Where to begin.
-Bowl reps sent to Columbus to try and get OSU fans to show up.
-Estimated total crowd 25,000
-214 total yds offense vs AFA including 80 rushing.
-3 INT by Greg Frey including one for a TD
-AFA's best defender was LB Brian HIll who was son of OSU trainer at the time.
- Team " pulled a Coop" for 2nd time in a row which would forever be known as losing The Game and the Bowl game to finish the season.
You don't even want me to get into what Coop did in the scUM game to get us to the Liberty Bowl.
Trust us when we say it was one of the most horrific nights in OSU football history.
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Pace leaves practice with injury
R.B. FALLSTROM
Associated Press
ST. LOUIS - It's a coach's nightmare, watching your star offensive tackle leave the field on a cart. That Orlando Pace escaped with a sore leg reduced Monday's mishap to just a scare for the St. Louis Rams.
A team spokesman said Pace had slight sprains to his right ankle and knee. Coach Scott Linehan said Pace's leg "kind of got rolled up" during a 9-on-7 drill early in practice, limped to a cart and then got a lift to the locker room.
X-rays taken as a precaution were negative for Pace, who has made it to the Pro Bowl the last seven seasons. He was day to day.
"It didn't appear after he walked it off that it was anything real serious, " Linehan said.
The minor injury interrupted what Linehan said has been a strong camp for the anchor to the Rams' line, whose Pro Bowl run is tied for fourth in franchise history behind defensive tackle Merlin Olsen (14), offensive guard Tom Mack (11) and linebacker Les Richter (8).
Pace has been in camp on time the last two years after signing a seven-year extension in March 2005, further helping him hone his skills.
"We all know he can be a great pass protector, but I think it's been very good for his overall game," Linehan said. "I think he's stepped it up big time."
Losing Pace tested the depth of a somewhat battered offensive line. Guard Richie Incognito was back on the field after batting a virus for a few days, but guard Claude Terrell was limited to individual drills for the second straight day following a setback to his surgically-repaired right wrist. All-purpose fill-in Blaine Saipaia walked off the field groggily late in practice after getting "a little dinged up," in Linehan's words.
Todd Steussie, a 13-year veteran who played for Tampa Bay last season, finished Monday's morning practice with the first team at left tackle. Steussie, 35, is a two-time Pro Bowl player and has missed only two games since entering the NFL in 1994.
"I thought Steussie did great," Linehan said.
"Certainly it's something we don't want to have to do very often," Linehan said. "But we have 100 percent confidence in him."
Pace leaves practice with injury
R.B. FALLSTROM
Associated Press
ST. LOUIS - It's a coach's nightmare, watching your star offensive tackle leave the field on a cart. That Orlando Pace escaped with a sore leg reduced Monday's mishap to just a scare for the St. Louis Rams.
A team spokesman said Pace had slight sprains to his right ankle and knee. Coach Scott Linehan said Pace's leg "kind of got rolled up" during a 9-on-7 drill early in practice, limped to a cart and then got a lift to the locker room.
X-rays taken as a precaution were negative for Pace, who has made it to the Pro Bowl the last seven seasons. He was day to day.
"It didn't appear after he walked it off that it was anything real serious, " Linehan said.
The minor injury interrupted what Linehan said has been a strong camp for the anchor to the Rams' line, whose Pro Bowl run is tied for fourth in franchise history behind defensive tackle Merlin Olsen (14), offensive guard Tom Mack (11) and linebacker Les Richter (8).
Pace has been in camp on time the last two years after signing a seven-year extension in March 2005, further helping him hone his skills.
"We all know he can be a great pass protector, but I think it's been very good for his overall game," Linehan said. "I think he's stepped it up big time."
Losing Pace tested the depth of a somewhat battered offensive line. Guard Richie Incognito was back on the field after batting a virus for a few days, but guard Claude Terrell was limited to individual drills for the second straight day following a setback to his surgically-repaired right wrist. All-purpose fill-in Blaine Saipaia walked off the field groggily late in practice after getting "a little dinged up," in Linehan's words.
Todd Steussie, a 13-year veteran who played for Tampa Bay last season, finished Monday's morning practice with the first team at left tackle. Steussie, 35, is a two-time Pro Bowl player and has missed only two games since entering the NFL in 1994.
"I thought Steussie did great," Linehan said.
"Certainly it's something we don't want to have to do very often," Linehan said. "But we have 100 percent confidence in him."
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