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OL Kirk Barton (Don't tase me Bro!)

Is Kirk Barton a Fake Buckeye?

  • YES

    Votes: 49 86.0%
  • NO

    Votes: 8 14.0%

  • Total voters
    57
"misunderstanding. 2. : a wrong action or statement proceeding from faulty judgment, inadequate knowledge, or inattention."


No, Bartons actions are not even close to dictionary definition.

He did not make a mistake in driving to a location. He did not make a mistake in getting belligerently hammered. He did not make a mistake getting behind the wheel. He did not make a mistake driving 100+mph.



These were all actions done with intention, knowing full well the potential consequences. There is no error or fault in judgement from a lack of knowledge. This is the end result of a near lifetime of action with minimum to no defintive consequences.

Three dui's. Three. This was a matter of mathematical eventuality. As Steve said above, prison is not punitive. Had Barton been in prison for his crimes, the other party would still be alive.


I've grown up with addiction on both sides *of* both sides of my family. I've buried several family and friends over it's self destructive nature. One that also can invite violence towards those that are in proximity to the addict.

I have and will always maintain this - your addiction gives you no right, excuse, justification or other to inflict physical and mental harm on anyone else beyond yourself. Most especially the former. Once you cross that line, as Kirk has done, the fabric of your life is at the mercy of those who would either take pity or deem it worthy to spare you.



Drunk driving and killing someone is one of the most ultimate selfishnesses I can think of. You had such little regard for the lives of others, what logic does it follow that others should regard yours?
Rhetorical, that last bit. I'm just making my closing point.

Good on you for finding sobriety and bless your journey and continued strength. Unfortunately, Kirks weakness has cost the life of another.
What are you talking about, he took wrongful action due to faulty judgement. We all know it was a mistake.

Two things can be true. It was a mistake but also it should’ve never happened because like you point out this is the third time.

I agree with all of you guys. Just I do think of the Barton’s too. Just a ton of casualties all the way around (none more so than the young man who lost his life)
 
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What are you talking about, he took wrongful action due to faulty judgement.

I understand your personal experience leads you to something of a self-transposition in this event. The "it could have been me" effect. I appreciate your compassion, but it's misplaced. You don't have to be the devil to cause the deepest of suffering to others.

I believe it's leading you to a false notion on interpreting what "faulty judgement is". Kirk knew the risks, knew what could happen, possible outcomes, etc etc. I spelled it out from beginning to end. The decision to drink, not at home, but a location. Driving to the location and not taking a cab. Not ordering a cab or a DD before he consumed too much. Still having a modicum of understanding of the world around you. From the moment he left the barstool to the moment of the crash. Any singular one of those moments, where he understood his condition, could have prevented this.

But like addicts not wanting to be sober, he didn't want to stop... at any point, either drinking or driving.


That isn't "faulty", these are (again) actions with intention.

You'll never agree and that's fine. I'd encourage you to remove the emotional component of yourself, take a wider gaze and I believe you'll get my points here.

Appreciate the conversation.
 
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I'm gonna doubt the alcohol played as big of a role as people are wanting to believe. Unfortunately, I too have driven when I definitely shouldn't have. But since I'm not as big of a piece of shit as Barton, I didn't test the limits of my car's speedometer in a quiet suburb while doing it. Because the alcohol didn't make me drive like a dickhead. It also didn't make him drive like a dickhead. He was just a dickhead already. In a dickhead's car. Doing dickhead things.
 
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I'm gonna doubt the alcohol played as big of a role as people are wanting to believe. Unfortunately, I too have driven when I definitely shouldn't have. But since I'm not as big of a piece of shit as Barton, I didn't test the limits of my car's speedometer in a quiet suburb while doing it. Because the alcohol didn't make me drive like a dickhead. It also didn't make him drive like a dickhead. He was just a dickhead already. In a dickhead's car. Doing dickhead things.
MADH
 
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You just felt an overwhelming sense of entitlement that because he'd been a prominent foosball player that he would never really be held accountable for anything so long as he stayed around Columbus. That's a bad roll of the dice that was always bound to crap out eventually.

Speaks volumes that despite having an MBA from a top 25 business school, he was selling cars.
 
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You just felt an overwhelming sense of entitlement that because he'd been a prominent foosball player that he would never really be held accountable for anything so long as he stayed around Columbus. That's a bad roll of the dice that was always bound to crap out eventually.

Speaks volumes that despite having an MBA from a top 25 business school, he was selling cars.
Alcohol man
 
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As sad as it is, and as has been previously mentioned, lots of people drink and drive without making the additional absolute human garbage decision to drive 100mph down a residential street. Being a degenerate drunk is only part of why Barton is a despicable human.
Oh I agree. Especially now that he’s plead not guilty.

Just saying that’s a big contributor here too. Without alcohol he at least doesn’t kill someone and have that issue with the police years ago.

Still a POS though.
 
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As much as I hate reading about this tragedy, Barton pleading “not guilty” is as much his attorney’s suggestion as it is his choice. Regardless of the repulsion of someone’s act, it’s still the government’s job to press the charges and make sure they have the evidence to prove the charges.
In my law ignorant perspective, this just makes the negotiations for a plea deal all the more likely. There’s no negotiation if you plead “guilty” from the jump.
 
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As much as I hate reading about this tragedy, Barton pleading “not guilty” is as much his attorney’s suggestion as it is his choice. Regardless of the repulsion of someone’s act, it’s still the government’s job to press the charges and make sure they have the evidence to prove the charges.
In my law ignorant perspective, this just makes the negotiations for a plea deal all the more likely. There’s no negotiation if you plead “guilty” from the jump.
Yeah, no lawyer will tell you to immediately plead guilty. Hell, even that maniac who killed the college girls in Idaho initially plead not guilty.
 
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