OL Justin Boren (Official Thread)

[sandgk]

It is a lose situation. .

Your scrip is still waiting ...

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

It is a lose situation. We do have limits on players, scholarship and walk on.

We have limits on scholarship players (85) and total roster players (105). If Boren was good enough for us to offer and for him to start all 13 games for a team like Michigan last year, he's good enough to make room for on the 105-man roster. How many of the 30 possible walk-ons actually play a down? Not many ever do. So bringing a talent like Boren aboard (who would've taken up a spot anyway he he committed to us instead of Michigan) is in no-way a lose situation.

 

[Taosman]

Boren is a quality kid and we should be so lucky if he walks on here.

 

[Best Buckeye]

Boren will be a Buckeye , take it to the bank.

 

[NFBuck]

It is a lose situation. We do have limits on players, scholarship and walk on.

Dude, seriously, look at the big picture. This is a former 5* recruit, two year starter, m*ch*g*n legacy that is walking away from all that to possibly walk-on to his former school's hated rival. If you can't see the damage this would do to ttun, look fucking closer.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Boren will be a Buckeye , take it to the bank.

So you're saying he was Boren to be a Buckeye?

 

[Best Buckeye]

So you're saying he was Boren to be a Buckeye?

Just in time too wouldn't you say?

 

[jwinslow]

It is a lose situation. We do have limits on players, scholarship and walk on.

No, it is not a lose situation. A lose situation is a guaranteed failure.

Recruits are going to consider the depth of the position before they decide to become a Buckeye.

Don't tell Marcus Hall, Mewhort, Linsey.

Boren will be here for 2 flipping years for any recruits out there. OL is not a position you typically get PT as a frosh... and if you do, it's rarely pretty.

Recruits will be a lot more concerned with the other recruits we bring in ('08 & '09) then a '06 kid.

I'm going to wait to see how this unfolds.

That would be much better than declaring it a lose-situation very prematurely.

Just in time too wouldn't you say?

No I wouldn't.

 

[jwinslow]

I don't think anyone here is saying we "owe" him anything. We thought highly enough of him to officially offer him during recruitment, and he had us as "high" interest and almost chose us (save a late-night cloak and dagger visit from Darth Schembechler). If he wants to play for us bad enough to foot the bill himself (actually Dad would foot the bill), then by all means we allow him to walk on. There is absolutely no reason not to...

I thought highly of his ability long before he switched. My post was intended to combat those who were concerned about the "risk factor" of taking Boren. OSU has very little to lose here, outside of providing UM a little motivation... of which they have 6 years worth.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I thought highly of his ability long before he switched. My post was intended to combat those who were concerned about the "risk factor" of taking Boren. OSU has very little to lose here, outside of providing UM a little motivation... of which they have 6 years worth.

Absolutely...

 

[jlb1705]

I havd no issue with him becoming a Buckeye.. but i really wish Justin, his dad, and his relatives would end this UM bashing they are engaging in..

Move on.. say u didnt feel u were fitting in under the new regime, and move on..

This nonsense in the papers and the radio is turning me off to the Boren family

Here's the thing. The Boren seems to be upset with Rodriguez and staff more than anything. It is clear from the comments that him and his family regret it has come to this. Their frustration with M*ch*g*n exists only insofar as they are enabling the new coach to remake the culture of the program in his own lousy image.

scUM fans are rationalizing the the fact that the program has sold its soul by saying that a wholesale cultural change was necessary to achieve on-field success they strive for. They are wrong. They could made a hire to bring them back to on-field success without bringing in a sleazebag like Rodriguez. The chose not to, and the price they're paying at least for now is that they have left no room in their program for a seemingly decent young man like Boren.

I thought it was only the editorializing Detroit Free Press and the legions of Wal-Mart Wolverines on the internet that failed to see these distinctions. I guess that's not the case though.

 

[HailToMichigan]

Here's the thing. The Boren seems to be upset with Rodriguez and staff more than anything. It is clear from the comments that him and his family regret it has come to this. Their frustration with M*ch*g*n exists only insofar as they are enabling the new coach to remake the culture of the program in his own lousy image.

scUM fans are rationalizing the the fact that the program has sold its soul by saying that a wholesale cultural change was necessary to achieve on-field success they strive for. They are wrong. They could made a hire to bring them back to on-field success without bringing in a sleazebag like Rodriguez. The chose not to, and the price they're paying at least for now is that they have left no room in their program for a seemingly decent young man like Boren.

I thought it was only the editorializing Detroit Free Press and the legions of Wal-Mart Wolverines on the internet that failed to see these distinctions. I guess that's not the case though.

First off, I don't think you have it right that we're rationalizing selling our soul. It's that we (well, I) don't believe we've sold our soul in the first place. You think so because you think RR is a scumbag. I don't think he's a scumbag.

Second, even if someone like Miles, an old Michigan man, had been hired, there would still have been a huge culture change. Miles may have graduated from Michigan but he has spent nearly two decades outside the program. He would not have come in and maintained the status quo. Well, more so than RR has, but Miles is a head coach in his own right with his own assistants and his own philosophies that have been honed in places outside U-M, and I doubt he would have felt substantially more loyalty to the assistants in place, or the procedures in place, than RR did. And that was the choice least likely to make waves in the program. (Outside of DeBord, that is, whose hire would have brought out the pitchforks and torches en masse.) Mike Boren's words were not, "Had I known there would be a change in philosophy (or attitude, or values, or approach, or....) I would not have let my son go to Michigan." He said "change in coaches." I believe Boren would have found things not particularly to his liking from any coach not named Lloyd Carr. I don't see Boren's departure as any kind of indictment on RR's character, I see a player who was not happy that Carr left, decided to give the new coach a shot but didn't like what he saw, and got out when he was no longer happy, with a little nudging from Pops.

 

[RB07OSU]

Good stuff RB, and yes that is correct. He's transfering from one D-1A school to another, so he'd follow normal transfer rules. Only difference is the Big Ten transfer rules prohibiting him from receiving a scholarship if he decides to transfer to another Big Ten school.

I kinda mentioned it once already in this thread, but he's got a heck of an opportunity if he chooses to transfer here, especially with 3 of our 4 guards in the 2-deep graduating after this year. He could be a 2-year starter playing inbetween Brewster and Adams =)

Didn't realize that, thanks. He does have a great shot to play after a redshirt year and I always wanted Connor Smith and Justin Boren as the guards at OSU. The thought of adding Boren to our OL is amazing...you could have perhaps the deepest, most talented OL we have had in awhile:
T: Mike Adams, Marcus Hall
G: Justin Boren, Jack Mewhort
C: Jimmy Cordle, Michael Brewster
G: Connor Smith, Cory Linsley
T: Bryant Browning, JB Shugarts

 

[NFBuck]

First off, I don't think you have it right that we're rationalizing selling our soul. It's that we (well, I) don't believe we've sold our soul in the first place. You think so because you think RR is a scumbag. I don't think he's a scumbag.

Second, even if someone like Miles, an old Michigan man, had been hired, there would still have been a huge culture change. Miles may have graduated from Michigan but he has spent nearly two decades outside the program. He would not have come in and maintained the status quo. Well, more so than RR has, but Miles is a head coach in his own right with his own assistants and his own philosophies that have been honed in places outside U-M, and I doubt he would have felt substantially more loyalty to the assistants in place, or the procedures in place, than RR did. And that was the choice least likely to make waves in the program. (Outside of DeBord, that is, whose hire would have brought out the pitchforks and torches en masse.) Mike Boren's words were not, "Had I known there would be a change in philosophy (or attitude, or values, or approach, or....) I would not have let my son go to Michigan." He said "change in coaches." I believe Boren would have found things not particularly to his liking from any coach not named Lloyd Carr. I don't see Boren's departure as any kind of indictment on RR's character, I see a player who was not happy that Carr left, decided to give the new coach a shot but didn't like what he saw, and got out when he was no longer happy, with a little nudging from Pops.

..and you're looking at things through maize-n-blue glasses just as much as we're looking through our scarlet glasses. However, the guy's recruiting history alone raises some flags. The way he bailed on his alma mater for a bigger paycheck with almost zero notice raises some flags. And you can honestly say that a um legacy, that bled maize and blue leaving doesn't raise some questions? I know it would with me. The easy way out would've been to stay silent, but he chose to voice some concerns. His own father played for the almight Bo and is supposedly a m*ch*g*n man through-and-through for Pete's sake.

At what point are you going to tire of defending him on an OSU board? It must be exhausting.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

They took Bo. We can take Justin.

This.

Bring on the two year war!

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