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actually that is not better, the Ohsaa.org site is better because it is official, those rankings may be better looking and faster to get, but they aren't the official one's, so they don't mean squat, but nice site none the less
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Actually joeeitel.com is probably better then the OHSAA site. Although OHSAA has official computer points, Eitel gives team inevitable points. I guess you can say he's a little ahead of the game. An example would be Team A beat Team B and Team C already. If Team B and Team C play each other in the future its inevitable your going to get secondary points from one of them, because one of the teams has to win. Eitel just gives Team A secondary points because the points are going to come regardless. Eitel's computer points have always been correct at the end of the year every time he has done it, so I would say they are pretty official too. Eitel also figures in playoff status. If a team controls his own destiny he makes a mark of that. He also tells in the last couple weeks which teams are locks for the playoffs and which teams are mathematically eliminated. It's a great site, that guy works his ass off just so other people can get that information.
 
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ok but i wish i knew what he said about last years rankings and if Beechcroft would make the playoffs(before the last game of the year), and i want to see if he can find out what has to happen(besides us win out) for us to stay in the playoffs at number 8 or higher
 
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When I played ball, they only took the top four teams in the region. We finished sixth my junior year and the season after I graduated, they switched to eight teams per region. :( Our school had never been to the playoffs before but then went about eight straight seasons.

Some of the funny things I've seen regarding teams making the playoffs:
Our league had a couple teams right on the DI/DII border as far as enrollment goes and another team that was DIV. One of the teams was barely DI, just by a couple students and they finished the season 9-1 and didn't make the playoffs. The DIV team that year went 4-6 and made the playoffs.

The first year my school made the playoffs, there was controversy over their opponent. The rankings came out and an opponent was named. The next day, it was determined that one school in the region had been using an ineligible player. Because those games had to be forfeited, a team that had only won two games, now won three games. The team that was in the #9 slot had beaten that team and they picked up enough computer points by this team now having three wins as opposed to two, that they were able to move up to #8. Definitely one of the wierdest things I'd ever seen or heard in regards to the Ohio playoffs.
 
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JonathanXC said:
So depending on who else makes the playoffs from your divison is what decides if you are in the D1 or D2 playoffs?
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yes exactly, for instance my school Katy High was one of the smaller 5A schools. In our district were Elsik and Hastings, two of the largest schools in the state. If either of those two made the playoffs then Katy was automaticly in D2.

our system is also settled on the field, you see ohio has so many school districts and "leagues/conferences" that using the system you mentioned would be impossible in ohio,
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I have a hard time believing this. I would be more than willing to bet that there is a much larger amount of high schools in Texas than Ohio. That is not to say that you would even want to use the texas format, just that it would work. The only way that it wouldn't work is if you were trying to decide 1 state champion. Something like the Indiana state basketball champion where all sizes of schools compete in the same playoffs. Then i could understand the rankings.

right now in texas there are several state champions

5A D1
5A D2
4A D1
4A D2
3A
2A
1A
six man
and TAPS(texas association of private schools)

The classifications are based on size of the enrollment
 
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he wasnt saying ohio has more high schools, just alot of school districts. here in georgia the districts are divided by county, so its macon county school district. in ohio, its a city thing, so, there are alot more districts, even if there arent as many actuall high schools.
 
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High Lonesome said:
Thats fine, still sounds like part of the BCS to me. Your going to have a hard time convincing me that settling it on the field is not the best way
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The points determine who gets into the playoffs. Then they settle it on the field.
edit: thought I had already read the whole thread, must've missed a page.

I used to know a guy from Katy, when I lived in Columbus. He used to come to my hotel every week on business. Don't remember his name. Do you know him :slappy:
Good story, huh
 
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High Lonesome said:
Thats fine, still sounds like part of the BCS to me. Your going to have a hard time convincing me that settling it on the field is not the best way
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Maybe, but short of having every damned team play in the playoffs and have them go till February, this is the best we've got. I like it. It used to only be the top 2 (now is 8). My brother's team was 10-0 and didn't even sniff the playoffs. With this system, the only 10-0 teams that won't make it have to had played an SEC-nonconference-like schedule.
 
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Played High School ball back in the late 80's and 1990. Only lost 3 games in our high school career (regular season). Went 8-2 our senior year and wasn't even close to making the playoff's. I think the new system is a little too generous, but it gets more teams in and lets more people experience the playoff's. Our game against Alter is considered one of the best high school playoff games ever played in Ohio (unfortunately we lost in like quadruple overtime).
 
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tedginn05 said:
actually that is not better, the Ohsaa.org site is better because it is official, those rankings may be better looking and faster to get, but they aren't the official one's, so they don't mean squat, but nice site none the less
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Uh , actually it is better. If you want to find out before Tuesday, then that's the way to go. It also has every teams record that you played, all on the same page. Try finding that on the OHSAA web site. It's filled with much more info. and easily readable.

As far as being official, who cares? Joe Eitel just tells you the results anyway. If he says Beechcroft will miss out on the playoffs by 1/1000th of a point, then you can guarantee he's right.
 
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tedginn05 said:
ok but i wish i knew what he said about last years rankings and if Beechcroft would make the playoffs(before the last game of the year), and i want to see if he can find out what has to happen(besides us win out) for us to stay in the playoffs at number 8 or higher
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He said, while Beechcroft was 10-1 last season, the combined records of the teams they beat was 25-65. Beechcroft only beat 1 team with a record over .500, and they were 7-3.

The bottom line is that you get more points by beating good teams because the more those teams win, the more secondary points you get.

Also, the 2 teams ahead of Beechcroft last year were also 9-1.The difference was that they beat better teams.

Beechcroft may be going down the same path this season: The records of the 4 teams they beat are 9-15. The records of the remaining 4 is 8-16. If they don't beat Whetstone, they have virtually no chance. Even if they do, they'll need alot of help to make the playoffs.
 
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see we did schedule hard opponets last year(the 2004 season), well they were good the year before we scheduled them, we had no idea that St. Charles would only win 1 game and that Zanesville would only get 2 wins, they were playoff teams the year before

that is the problem with the way the City League works, put any team in ohio, i don't care even Cincy Colerain against our schedule last year and sure they could have blowed through those teams just like we did but still not make the playoffs, that is the only con about the playoff system



we actually was number 7 and in the playoffs last year until Linden McKinley had to forteit one of their wins because of the use of a ineligable player

the system defiently needs a exception, like making teams that go 10-0 and 9-1 automatic bids into the playoffs and then use the com. rankings to choose the other teams


or here's a idea, take all 10-0, 9-1 and hell maybe even 8-2 teams that didn't make it in and set up a playoff for those teams, so they can get some sort of prize for a good season
 
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