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Game Thread Ohio State vs Oklahoma, 09/09/17 @ 7:30 ET (ABC)

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Onebuckfan said:
We all see JT's limitations but the coaches see the limitations of the others in practice sooo maybe their is no other option yet.
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Barrett is the all time leader in total yards, total TDs, passing TDs, and if he isn't benched, will become the passing yardage leader. He's also the first 3x captain in program history and is very close to setting the conference record for career TDs.

None of that means shit if the offense doesn't work against top teams, but it certainly clouds judgement and makes it much harder than we think to bench him.
 
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1926Buckeyes said:
Barrett is the all time leader in total yards, total TDs, passing TDs, and if he isn't benched, will become the passing yardage leader. He's also the first 3x captain in program history and is very close to setting the conference record for career TDs.

None of that means [Mark May] if the offense doesn't work against top teams, but it certainly clouds judgement and makes it much harder than we think to bench him.
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^ Yep. I remember going through this with Steve Bellisari in Tressell's first year until Bellisari was benced for an off field incident in favor of Krenzel and then again when Tress went with Justine Zwick over Troy Smith for the first half of the season.

Loyalty has to be admired, but sometimes...
 
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I made the statement during the Indiana game, that I'd prefer they go back to a "Tebow-esque" offense around Barrett. Give him 1 read on pass plays, develop the play to look off safeties, when he comes back to his primary receiver, if it's there, pull the trigger and if it's not take what you can get on the ground. It's what they asked him to do as a freshman, and it worked very well. I understand the desire to develop him into a pocket QB that can go through progressions, but I just don't believe he has the physical gifts to deliver the ball on time to secondary receivers in the face of pressure.

The stubbornness of Meyer at this point, can and should be called out IMO. It's really frustrating to watch teams develop designed plays to execute against our defense (OU's RB seam route play, the TE slip screens, etc).....in comparison to our "system"offense where JT is being asked to read the defense and make progressions....it's just frustrating. Take some of the decision-making/complexity out of the offense, and get back to physical JT Barrett who fights for the extra 2 or 3 yards, and set-up play-action off of power football.......the Tebow offense.

And if you want a system QB who is being asked to make reads and go through a route tree, maybe it's time to look another direction and see what Haskins/Burrow are capable of. Haskins has an NFL arm....Burrow lacks arm-strength, although I believe it's stronger than Barrett's.

It's frustrating to look back on, but even Kenny Guiton was humming back in 2013 with 14 TD throws to 2 picks in limited action, and close to a 70% completion percentage. He had less arm strength than Barrett but the plays were designed for him to get the ball out quickly, and he distributed it well.

We're just lost right now, and I believe a large portion of it is, this stubborn desire to make Barrett something he isn't....
 
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cincibuck said:
^ Yep. I remember going through this with Steve Bellisari in Tressell's first year until Bellisari was benced for an off field incident in favor of Krenzel and then again when Tress went with Justine Zwick over Troy Smith for the first half of the season.

Loyalty has to be admired, but sometimes...
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The reason Tressel started Zwick over Smith had nothing to do with loyalty. Zwick knew the offense and studied film. Smith didn't. Troy admitted that he was "just ballin'" and didn't take film study seriously until after the loss to PSU in '05. I remember saying when he was suspended from the Alamo Bowl and the first game the following year that he should be spending his time studying film but obviously that wasn't the case.

Troy was given the start at QB after the loss at Iowa in '04, their third consecutive loss which put them out of the conference race. Part of the reason was that the OL was performing so poorly and Troy's scrambling ability gave him a better chance of keeping a play alive. Remember that this was when the screams of "They don't use a blocking sled in practice!" reverberated throughout Buckeye nation as the explanation for the OL's poor performance. Even former players expressed their outrage.

Fans always look for one place to assign blame. But as Tressel explained at the time, it wasn't one thing. It was different things on different plays. For the OL to perform, all five parts have to perform as a unit. A mistake by any one of them makes the whole unit look bad. Troy was able to cover for some of those mistakes as they continued to learn and grow.

If he had learned to be a student of the game sooner then he might have been able to help OSU beat Texas in '05. Instead he balled his way to one TD, Texas adjusted, and kept him from moving the ball anymore. Tressel was forced to go back to Zwick because he moved the chains. It was Justin who threw what likely would have been the game winning TD that was dropped by a certain TE in the end zone. Tressel handled Zwick and Smith as best as could be expected and in so doing made a Heisman winner out of Troy.
 
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I get where the staff is coming from because he probably makes the least amount of errors in practice. But he probably also makes the least amount of dynamic plays in practice, too. And if you want to be an elite program you take the bad with the great. I could cope with a bad turnover or two if it meant the offense was actually capable of moving the ball. As it is, not making mistakes is useless if you're also not making plays.
 
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sg86 said:
I get where the staff is coming from because he probably makes the least amount of errors in practice. But he probably also makes the least amount of dynamic plays in practice, too. And if you want to be an elite program you take the bad with the great. I could cope with a bad turnover or two if it meant the offense was actually capable of moving the ball. As it is, not making mistakes is useless if you're also not making plays.
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Krenzel and an incredible defense to make the plays he needed.
 
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buckeyebri said:
I was always taught to respect my opponent and to act like I've been there when I won....of course when you never have....just saying....
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I didn't say I agree with how they celebrated. I said I don't care how they celebrated (because I'm not an OU alum or supporter). That's on them.

I care about why they were able to celebrate.
 
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sg86 said:
I get where the staff is coming from because he probably makes the least amount of errors in practice. But he probably also makes the least amount of dynamic plays in practice, too. And if you want to be an elite program you take the bad with the great. I could cope with a bad turnover or two if it meant the offense was actually capable of moving the ball. As it is, not making mistakes is useless if you're also not making plays.
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That makes lots of sense. It's easy to focus on the negative plays youngsters are making.
 
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Congrats to OU on a well earned victory. Wish we would have given you a better game, but it is what it is at this point. Best of luck this season to you, your team and coach.

As for our team ... LOTS to work on. The only positive I can see is that the coaches should have everyone's COMPLETE attention and focus for the rest of the season. Enough of the "potential" and "hype" surrounding what they are. THIS is what they are ... at least for now. They have the talent/potential to be something different by the end of the year if they have the desire/drive/will to work to that goal as a team. Please don't misread my intention either. We are not a bad team, we are just not the elite top 4 team we have been lead to believe to this point. Too many areas that we are technically weak in to believe that now. There was a glimmer of hope after the 2nd half at Indiana, but OU finished exposing us. Maybe we owe them a little gratitude as we have time to fix multiple issues. Time will tell, but I certainly don't see a quick/easy fix like bench JT, or switch up linebackers, or scheme in the secondary. No magic bullet gets us to where we want to be. Hard work and time.
 
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1926Buckeyes said:
Barrett is the all time leader in total yards, total TDs, passing TDs, and if he isn't benched, will become the passing yardage leader. He's also the first 3x captain in program history and is very close to setting the conference record for career TDs.

None of that means [Mark May] if the offense doesn't work against top teams, but it certainly clouds judgement and makes it much harder than we think to bench him.
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No one else is ready ..not even to mop up apparently
 
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sg86 said:
I get where the staff is coming from because he probably makes the least amount of errors in practice. But he probably also makes the least amount of dynamic plays in practice, too. And if you want to be an elite program you take the bad with the great. I could cope with a bad turnover or two if it meant the offense was actually capable of moving the ball. As it is, not making mistakes is useless if you're also not making plays.
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This 100%. All this talk about going vertical, trusting the receivers for contested catches, etc. feels like a lie at this point. If you're not moving the ball at all, it's as good as a turnover ultimately.
 
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