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Hstead
Legend
These are my observations. First off, LOVE LOVE LOVE night games in the Shoe. Wish we played more of them even though it puts me getting home at 3 am.
LOVE LOVE LOVED the Throw backs. They were kick ass.
I have been saying this for a while and will say it again. The Offensive line looks great when the play calling isn't vanilla and keeps the defense off balance and guessing. When we suck, it is because the play calling sucks, we run Weber off tackle left every first down, then run an option, and it is then 3rd and long. Last night, we ran play action passes on first down damn near all night long. Go back and watch game films from ND, ttun, OU, and last night. First downs are play action. Go back and watch MSU and PSU. First down play action was damn near non-existent. It was Weber left all night, or Zeke last year. Weber never touched it in the first quarter last night. And I am find with that. Love Weber and the way he plays, but he can be most effective when we are spreading the ball around to play makers and keeping the d off balance. Weber didn't run it a ton, but he was still effective when he needed to be effective. So to summarize on the Oline, they are fine, the play calling needs to give them a chance to succeed and last night it did. JT has ALL NIGHT to throw most of the time, and I mean 6 and 7 seconds at times.
Now the Wide Outs. I have been saying they are NFL caliber and still think most will play on Sundays. They can separate. They need to have routes called that gives them a chance to separate. It can't be the same ole same ole where defenses are sitting on our short routes. When you see the games live, we have had separation all year but JT doesn't see them most of the time. Zone 6 is fine when the play calling gives them a chance to succeed, ie play action first down.
JT. Now I am sure I am going to catch hell for this, and I think JT is a fine player and has been. I think JT has not been coached well the past two years and has regressed. JT had a decent night throwing and an excellent night running. He did a masterful job eluding some pressures and keeping plays alive. Kudos and great work there. But, he missed some WIDE ASS OPEN guys again, especially 2 deep balls including the wheel route to Weber that was a spectacular play call. He was late with several throws. And I can recall 2 throws that were really really bad, into double coverage on an out where they were damn near pick 6s. Also, many of the completetions were not in places that gave the receiver a chance for any yards after the catch, balls were a little high, or a little behind, etc. They were not thrown in places for the WRs to keeping running.
Now for the unpopular part, so I have now put on my flame suit. I am not sure Burrow wouldn't be more efficient. He reads the defense much faster, throws guys open, puts the ball in a place for them to get YAC, is a decent runner, and is more accurate.
So there you go, play calling improves and the offense rolls. Players are fine, just have to put them in a play that they have a chance to succeed with instead of first down automatic Weber off tackle left and 3rd and 8 QB draws.
LOVE LOVE LOVED the Throw backs. They were kick ass.
I have been saying this for a while and will say it again. The Offensive line looks great when the play calling isn't vanilla and keeps the defense off balance and guessing. When we suck, it is because the play calling sucks, we run Weber off tackle left every first down, then run an option, and it is then 3rd and long. Last night, we ran play action passes on first down damn near all night long. Go back and watch game films from ND, ttun, OU, and last night. First downs are play action. Go back and watch MSU and PSU. First down play action was damn near non-existent. It was Weber left all night, or Zeke last year. Weber never touched it in the first quarter last night. And I am find with that. Love Weber and the way he plays, but he can be most effective when we are spreading the ball around to play makers and keeping the d off balance. Weber didn't run it a ton, but he was still effective when he needed to be effective. So to summarize on the Oline, they are fine, the play calling needs to give them a chance to succeed and last night it did. JT has ALL NIGHT to throw most of the time, and I mean 6 and 7 seconds at times.
Now the Wide Outs. I have been saying they are NFL caliber and still think most will play on Sundays. They can separate. They need to have routes called that gives them a chance to separate. It can't be the same ole same ole where defenses are sitting on our short routes. When you see the games live, we have had separation all year but JT doesn't see them most of the time. Zone 6 is fine when the play calling gives them a chance to succeed, ie play action first down.
JT. Now I am sure I am going to catch hell for this, and I think JT is a fine player and has been. I think JT has not been coached well the past two years and has regressed. JT had a decent night throwing and an excellent night running. He did a masterful job eluding some pressures and keeping plays alive. Kudos and great work there. But, he missed some WIDE ASS OPEN guys again, especially 2 deep balls including the wheel route to Weber that was a spectacular play call. He was late with several throws. And I can recall 2 throws that were really really bad, into double coverage on an out where they were damn near pick 6s. Also, many of the completetions were not in places that gave the receiver a chance for any yards after the catch, balls were a little high, or a little behind, etc. They were not thrown in places for the WRs to keeping running.
Now for the unpopular part, so I have now put on my flame suit. I am not sure Burrow wouldn't be more efficient. He reads the defense much faster, throws guys open, puts the ball in a place for them to get YAC, is a decent runner, and is more accurate.
So there you go, play calling improves and the offense rolls. Players are fine, just have to put them in a play that they have a chance to succeed with instead of first down automatic Weber off tackle left and 3rd and 8 QB draws.
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matcar
Mostly banned
If you think JT hasn't been coached well for 2 years, why would you think Burrow is going to come in an be better? He's got the same coach yet somehow you envision him to be better with what amounts to be a similar skill set. Does not compute. FWIW, WRs who execute, can separate on any play call. Now, that's not to say that play calling doesn't help in every facet, but our WRs lacking separation at times isn't a play calling thing. It's execution.
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Hstead
Legend
Joe's dad is a college coach and the kid has had exceptional coaching his entire life. He can succeed despite Beck. When a DB has a decent idea the route the WR is running because it is so predictable, then no it isn't easy to get separation, hence the reason KJ was wide ass open two weeks ago on the double move. We rarely run double moves any more.
Do you go to the games or watch on TV, because you cannot see separation on TV like you see it live.
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After last years QB debacle, it is hard to fathom anyone advocating for a change at QB at this point.
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Nigel Tufnel
Choking on vomit
Both. Separation isn't on Warriner. It's a WR issue. My goodness, the silliness about Beck continues. Even after what we just did to Nebraska.
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redguard117
Hall of Fame
Okay, so he made those throws, but he also missed some, his freshman year. Wouldn't you say that, given proper coaching, a QB should get better at making those throws from his freshman year to his junior year?
Look, one game isn't enough to judge Beck, either positively or negatively. Personally, however, I've been very underimpressed with the development of our freshman-year Heisman contender QB, and our offense, under his charge. You may disagree, but dismissing it as 'silliness' is in my opinion short-sighted.
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The Nebraska game was a step up, but Ohio State was flattered by the lack of offense after Nebraska lost their quarterback. They were moving the ball when Armstrong went out. A score on that drive, maybe a score on the next and the halftime score is much different. I'm not saying that Ohio State doesn't win--and win big--I'm saying it's not the silly blow out we saw.
Not to belabor the point too much, but the coaches need to call passing plays that give Barrett and his receivers time to get more trust in one another. They will need to stretch the field against TSUN and in the B1G championship game. Please leave that bloody option play in the rubbish bin.
Not to belabor the point too much, but the coaches need to call passing plays that give Barrett and his receivers time to get more trust in one another. They will need to stretch the field against TSUN and in the B1G championship game. Please leave that bloody option play in the rubbish bin.
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Nigel Tufnel
Choking on vomit
We have no idea how much or little a guy is going to progress in accuracy. Usually accuracy isn't a huge jump - that is usually something a guy has or he doesn't. Not to say there would be no improvement, but that's not where you expect it.
Now, I'd expect improvement in regards to reading defenses, progressions, and such adjustments. And from that standpoint, it would appear that JT has made progress.
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alexhortdog95
Eye to the future, honoring the past
It was 24 - 3 when Tommy went out, my friend. He wouldn't have made much difference for another 40 minutes of football.
Adam Carricker (Former Husker) said this on Sunday:
"They stomped a mud hole in us and they walked it dry. They took us out behind the woodshed and they gave us an old-fashioned whooping. You know, something that you used to be able to do in America. For the love of all that is holy, this game is over. And if you look at the rest of our schedule, I don’t see us getting blown out like this again, thank goodness."
Sorry, I still think Beck is a liability for you guys. One game does not a season make, and we were totally outclassed athlete-for-athlete from the coin flip.
You guys got studs, that's for sure. To be fair - many folks around here had us at 6-3 at this point in the season with losses to Oregon, Bucky, and you guys. Didn't see a 59 point ass kicking, but I still saw a loss, that's for sure.
You guys needed to make a statement. Now we need to do our part and go out and keep winning against who we have left to make that ass kicking matter...
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HorseshoeFetish
Silver Bullet Supporter
Man if only our guys got on a bus and drove around the stadium once it would be the best entrance in FB.
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OregonBuckeye
Semper Fi Buckeyes
No they weren't. They got 1 first down after we gift wrapped them field position on the muffed punt. Other than their field goal drive which was as much luck as execution, they were completely shut down with armstrong in the game. You're extrapolating big time off of very little
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