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Ohio State vs. Marshall, 2004

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I haven't watched the tape of the game yet but I am pretty confident its the same old story. More often than not the hole is there and our backs either don't see it or do their best riverdance impersonation when they do.

We need an impact player at RB while we have Zwick. The offense would be lethal.
 
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I have to agree with the opinion that our backs often miss the holes because, I was paying close attention to the o-line and they were routinely making a push and there were holes most of the day, I kept wondering why Ross never cuts back and sees the whole field, probably because he just doesnt have the vision of some of our previous backs, he is doing his best, I will support him, but it is time to realize he will never average 5.0 yards a carry.

I believe our running game would be more effective by spliting time between Ross, Joe and Pittman......running back by committee is not sounding that bad right now.
 
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The problem is in cover 3 you're going to be playing with ONE saftey over top so then its vulnerable to the slants and the quick hitters over the middle. Ok so you want to run a cover 3 and put the DB's in the flats which is fine it has the same basis I stated, but again would you not rather have our 250 pound linebackers trying to wrap them up rather than our smaller Db's? As for the 3-4 not stopping the run.... I disagree , you can walk your linebackers up and fake the blitz back off and then stunt.... there's just so much you can do to disrupt not only the running game but also the passing game with different blitz's. It might be easier for them to get to the second level but I'll trust our Linebackers over any teams Running backs. Now if they didn't have the Linebackers hell yeah it'd be dumb as hell. Also the Nickle defense does infact cover the slot man, but that didn't really matter with us playing 10 yards off the ball now did it?

slobberknocker- You seem to know what you're talk'n bout and I like the Nickle formation but I would prefer a 3-4 in the short stuff because of the linebackers in the flats not the DB's.
 
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The problem is in cover 3 you're going to be playing with ONE saftey over top so then its vulnerable to the slants and the quick hitters over the middle.
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How so considering your LBs are still sitting in hook/curl zones for quick slants and Marshall did not have the time to challenge the FS vertically? It was the snap/quick throw bubbles hurting the D and Bobby C not getting to the cutoff lane in time...although his effort was there every time. The corners in the flats are getting depth and reading underneath so they are helping on all intermediate throws whether it be a stop route or a slant. In the nickel, Snyder could play games with roll coverages and split coverages also which would not be available with the LBs on the field.

Just a difference in opinion here.

Either way the Defense did not play bad...the turnovers were reminiscent of NCSE last year. Game in hand then a complete meltdown in terms of turnovers
 
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Sometimes being lucky is better than being good (early "w" is all that matters)

I believe we should be relieved that we can win games that we did not play well and turned the ball over. The announcers continued to say the whole second half that this is how Tressel coaches and that this is how Ohio State wins. They were right. Look back at our National Championship season of 2002 - we won many games we should probably not have won.
Our turnovers are made in an attempt to make something happen. Ross and Holmes were trying to get the extra yards and Zwick was trying to throw the same two patterns he successfully threw in the beginnig of the game. Yes we need to not turn the ball over, but get used to Zwick throwing interceptions this year. His ball floats, he has no fear and Tressel and the offensive coaches have called plays we all have been praying for since Tressel got here - long passes and screens. Mix all of those things together with a new quarterback, you have turnovers. If he learns from his mistakes, he will be a great quarterback. (The coaches have limited Smith by completely changing the offensive philosophy when he plays - if he has the arm strength they say, let him drop back the same as Zwick and then he can improvise. The other team knows exactly what is coming when he comes in the game.)
Our defense is fine. If you remember the past sevral years, we have always given up a lot of yards to spread teams and teams early in the year. The main difference is that we scored early (defense tired) and that we turned the ball over too much (quick change for tired defense). These are things we didn't do in the past several years under Tressel.
By the way, I would rather be us than Michigan and the Big Ten better look out for Purdue! Go Bucks beat the Wolfpack!!
 
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Everything depends on formations, what our coaches use as strenght indicators. such as field or formation. To play a 3 deep we need to be in a dime (6db's). Our we going to play man under 2 deep or man across etc. What we did yesterday was play nickel in a zone coverage because we didn't want our cb having their backs to the play. Marshall used the short bubble screen as a running play. Our dline couldn't get pressure and our stunts and blitzes didn't work because of the short 3 step drop passing game.

Great discussion, you guys know your shit!!!!!!
 
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slobberknocker said:
I have to disagree our oline creates seams not holes, but agree with you on ross he shuts down to cut and acts like hes scared to get hit. Run down hill
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Excellent point!! I never made that conscious distinction but now that you say it, a lot of differing views on the offenses problems could be traced back to that subtle difference. Like you say however, Ross doesn't seem to hit either a seam or a hole with any authority whatsoever.
 
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the only announcers that i felt had any kind of negative bias towards osu were dan fouts (and he wasn't even that bad really....i just found some of his comments laughable, especially the gem about how "the fourth quarter is Dorsey Time"), and the guy in last year's ncst game (he ticked me off, but again i think it's more of a case of him being a jackass rather than him being an OSU "hater").
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IIRC, Tim Brandt who did the game yesterday was one of the two NCSU and Fiesta Bowl announcers from 2003. I could be wrong but that voice sounded awful familiar.
 
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I'm not trying to stir the pot, but it IS usually pretty damn obvious when we're going to run the ball. When we allow the defense to put 7, 8, or even 9 in the box, we will have problems running. The most successful play we had was the quick throw to Ross out in te flat. We let them load the middle of the field and just went around. Either make some effort to spread them out, or don't pigheadedly run into the teeth of the entire D.

Maybe it's just frustration on my part, but it looks like the team is trying too hard to assert its authority using brute strentgh, rather than a more diversified running game. You don't have to run it straight up the gut to have an effective running game. Everyone has seen 3 years of us futilely attempting to run up the middle. I think that defensive adjustment has been universally accepted. Try something else, maybe?
 
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