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Game Thread Ohio State vs Army, 09/16/17 @ 4:30 ET (FOX)

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lvbuckeye said:
15-15 on throws at or behind the line of scrimmage. 10-18 for everything else. He was actually pretty good in the ten to fifteen yard range.
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That 15 of 15 I believe is what made him more effective going down the field. The success running the ball, the success of the quick throw game, and RPO opened up play action.

Continue to throw that throw game until they come up to defend it and start shading people out wide.. Once then do the play action down the middle should open, the run game between the tackles open up, and as we saw with the TD to Terry sets up plays for big yards.

What we did Saturday was exactly what JT needed from a confidence stand point. Hell did anyone catch the touch pass that we did?! We brought back the damn touch pass!
 
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Best game our receivers have had by far in quite a while. Loved how Hill, Campbell and McLaughlin all caught the ball and the other receivers would block and they would get down field in a hurry. Also loved how many broken tackles they all made. Seemed like no one went down on initial contact.
I also like how Campbell was used in the run game. Unfortunate hold robbed him of a TD but seeing signs that he is our second best Offensive weapon behind JK. Feel a bit sorry for Webber but JK is a talent that doesn't come around to often.
Wilson did much better on play calling and I think he is getting a feel for who our playmakers are. The UNLV game should give him opportunity to continue building a rhythm and I fully expect to see Haskins in shortly after the 2nd half begins. It will be nice to see what he can do and get some more experience under his belt.
Defense only gave up 7 points and so it is hard to complain but too many missed tackles and gave up way too many yards to the fullback.

GO BUCKS!
 
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ScriptOhio said:
I disagree, it is ALWAYS better to go to the playoffs than a mid level bowl.
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LostLassie said:
I don't see how being humiliated is helpful. Are you going with the "it's an honor just to be nominated" philosophy?
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Are you saying that Ohio State shouldn't have played in the 2003 Fiesta Bowl since they were a 2 TD underdog to Miami and losing to them would be humiliating and harmful to the program?

Three facts:

1) If you want to be one of the 'big dogs" of college football, you can't be afraid of playing anybody.

2) Regardless of the point spread both teams start out 0-0 with both teams having an equal chance of winning. "That’s why they play the game” is a popular sports adage meaning that the game isn’t decided on paper. One team might have more talent and might be favored to win the game by oddsmakers, but when the game is actually played there is no certainty that the favorite will always win. (Adolph Rupp).

3) You can't win the championship without getting into the championship game.
 
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ScriptOhio said:
Are you saying that Ohio State shouldn't have played in the 2003 Fiesta Bowl since they were a 2 TD underdog to Miami and losing to them would be humiliating and harmful to the program?

Three facts:

1) If you want to be one of the 'big dogs" of college football, you can't be afraid of playing anybody.

2) Regardless of the point spread both teams start out 0-0 which both teams having an equal chance of winning. "That’s why they play the game” is a popular sports adage meaning that the game isn’t decided on paper. One team might have more talent and might be favored to win the game by oddsmakers, but when the game is actually played there is no certainty that the favorite will always win. (Adolph Rupp).

3) You can't win the championship without getting into the championship game.
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I don't see it as being "afraid." I see it as being capable of getting the job done, or not. Maybe it's just a personal gut-feeling thing, but some teams just don't feel like they belong, and some do.
 
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One comment on the game........I'd be proud of the Buckeyes if they scheduled them every year. They (Army) make me proud to be an American. Pure class, as are the Buckeyes.

It is indeed a sobering thought that Some of those young men may not be with us in a year or two, depending on world affairs. They, and all of the other services, make it possible for us to vent our true feelings on this board and everywhere else, for that matter. I'm a fan.

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ScriptOhio said:
Are you saying that Ohio State shouldn't have played in the 2003 Fiesta Bowl since they were a 2 TD underdog to Miami and losing to them would be humiliating and harmful to the program?

Three facts:

1) If you want to be one of the 'big dogs" of college football, you can't be afraid of playing anybody.

2) Regardless of the point spread both teams start out 0-0 with both teams having an equal chance of winning. "That’s why they play the game” is a popular sports adage meaning that the game isn’t decided on paper. One team might have more talent and might be favored to win the game by oddsmakers, but when the game is actually played there is no certainty that the favorite will always win. (Adolph Rupp).

3) You can't win the championship without getting into the championship game.
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Exactly... I will take making the playoffs all day. Sure we can lose but as an elite d1 program we always have a chance. Always.
 
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pianobuck46 said:
One comment on the game........I'd be proud of the Buckeyes if they scheduled them every year. They (Army) make me proud to be an American. Pure class, as are the Buckeyes.

It is indeed a sobering thought that Some of those young men may not be with us in a year or two, depending on world affairs. They, and all of the other services, make it possible for us to vent our true feelings on this board and everywhere else, for that matter. I'm a fan.

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I was sitting in the stadium Saturday thinking that too. Wouldn't it be great to play a service academy every year rotating all three service academies every 3rd year?
 
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Well I rewatched the game and I'm much more encouraged. Especially when i consider what UFM said.

Here's what I saw on replay.

1. JT started off not too good. He threw even the simple screen passes high and made it difficult on our receivers early but as the game went he started throwing with authority and threw IN FRONT of receivers to give them better chances to make a play.

2. JTs incompletions. Threw a good pass to Terry down the side line and I like the that he knew to throw it there. Got hit on the ball he threw high to Mack (who should've got the PI call), had the right idea on the ball that was almost intercepted, also got hit on the RPO that he threw high to baugh.

That's the risks I'm willing to live with on the ball that was almost intercepted. JT thought his man would drift to his right to settle in the hole but he didn't. JT tried to throw him open though which I believe all of us is more then happy to see him do.

3. For the first time in awhile it seemed like our plan had purpose. We kept throwing wide because of this new tendency to play us loose and drop people. Eventually it forced them to commit more folks out wide and to keep a look out for the quick hitters. Then once they started trying to tighten the bolts out wide we absolutely gashed them through the middle with the run game, routes to the center of the field, and play action off the screen that we saw with JT.

4. We took advantages of our strengths. I was really encouraged with the structure of our system and this was something I bitched all week about but somehow I missed watching live.

Jts strength is he doesn't make a ton of mistakes and is lethal running any kind of option. Well we know IT can operate the running game options but we started giving him ONE read in the passing game and if it wasn't there he would pull and get what he could. He ran with purpose when he kept the ball too and ran like the JT we have come to know over the past few years.

5. The comments today shouldn't be understated with UFM today as well. He mentioned going forward this is something we will build off of and has been given as a directive that this is what we want to build on.

Again this was something I really wanted to see last week which was to run the ball, get the screen game going, show rythem, show purpose and then test the waters throwing deep.

Honestly it was very eerily similar to what I was hoping to see last game with my game week posts.

6. It'll be interesting to see how we open this next game. Will UNLV try to take away the screen game or try to pack it in to stop the run? They're fucked either way but I hope we play a similar game as last Saturday for the first quarter and then again test the waters down the field more so.

I'm a very big in covering all your bases and I think what upset me the most was we didn't get to see Haksins. I'm for whichever QB gets the job done but when I think of worse case scenario I'm thinking we see the same porous offense against PSU but can't give anyone else a chance because they have no experience.

I still maintain our back ups need experience just in case JT buckles against PSU. Luckily this game should give us that chance but if we can build off this RPO and run game i really think JT can do well.
 
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Hetuck said:
I'd be fine if they never again schedule a service academy. Or only once every so often. Yeah, it's a feel good story. But from a football standpoint it does nothing to prepare the team to beat Michigan. Did you hear Urban talk about all the time and effort put in by Schiano for months in advance to prepare for the triple option offense? How many potential injuries to D linemen are we willing to risk to their cut blocking schemes just so we can feel like flag waving patriots for playing teams that we love and respect but are relative cupcakes, or should be? UNLV will do more to prepare the Buckeyes to defeat PSU than Army did.

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One loss to a service academy and watch Buckeye nation lose their collective minds. Nope. Play each of them once per decade, at most, because it's a nice look if that's what you want. Let the rest of the blue bloods share in the glory too.
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I agree with your comments about the cut blocking schemes and it may be true that the option preparation is unreasonable. I would play them more than once a decade, though.
 
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