Ohio State vs Alcorn Mon. 11/9/09 7pm

[BuckTwenty]

Just saw the box score. Stats that stick out (outside of Turner's triple-double):

Diebler: 6-9 from 3-point range, 22 points (game high)
Buford: 8-14 shooting, 19 points
Z: 0-2 from charity stripe (watching him shoot FT's is painful)
Turner: 6 offensive rebounds (he's got the timing down pat!)
Simmons: 12 points off the bench
Offut: 11 points off the bench in 13 minutes
Lighty: 8 points, 8 assists (!)

TEAM: Perfect from the line until midway through the 2nd half, 6 turnovers total, 53.4% (39-73) shooting and 42.4% (14-33) from behind the arc, assists on 29 of 39 baskets (opponent had 7 assists total... which is as many as Turner had in the first half ALONE), +11 rebound margin tonight

Attendance (listed): 11,015, ~30 of which were students. 52,000+ students and that's all you can get to attend the home opener?? C'mon guys...

 

[TimTaylor75]

Anyone know if this one is going to be replayed?

 

[crazybuckfan40]

Man is this team fun to watch. I know it was alcorn state, but there are things that you see like the grab the ball and go...Lighty, Turner, Diebs, Buford, Hill, Simmons, Offut can all handle the ball they can all push the ball...Leading to a ton of open looks from deep.

We also have depth this year. I know Matta usually likes to run just 8 guys, but we can realistically play 10, and I hope that we do to have guys fresh at the end of the season and be able to run all season.

We will be saying at some point this season to stop shooting all the 3 pointers, in games when they aren't falling, but we have guys that can take the ball the rack and get easy buckets...

We all know we lack an offensive threat in the post, and our big guys struggle to shoot free throws which also isn't good.

Right now not much to be unhappy about, but we will know a whole lot more come next Thursday and Friday.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Fun game to watch. This team, IMO, should be able to run with anyone. The execution on the fast breaks was fantastic.

Like cbf40 mentioned, I thought they fell into a rut in a couple stretches of shooting too many 3's, particularly when Alcorn went to the zone. That's great when they fall, but at some point this season, especially when the legs start to wear down a bit, they'll have to be more effective scoring from inside the arc. Turner's jumpers aren't falling right now and I'm still not wow'ed by Lighty's shooting. I do expect ET to start making more of those 12-14 footers off the dribble. I'd really like to see Lighty shooting more from that same range rather than just shooting 3's.

Simmons looked good shooting the ball, but we saw him have a couple games like that last year, too. Like Jamar Butler, he seems to be a much better shooter off the dribble than off the pass.

I expect the front court to be a continuing concern most of the season, but if Turner and Lighty can continue to rebound like they have been and get out and run, OSU should be able to force other teams to go away from their big lineups to matchup. The big key to that will be defending the 4/5 just well enough to avoid strings of easy buckets then rebounding and running.

This should be an exciting team to watch.

 

[LitlBuck]

We all know we lack an offensive threat in the post, and our big guys struggle to shoot free throws which also isn't good.

Right now not much to be unhappy about, but we will know a whole lot more come next Thursday and Friday.

Fun game to watch. This team, IMO, should be able to run with anyone. The execution on the fast breaks was fantastic.

Like cbf40 mentioned, I thought they fell into a rut in a couple stretches of shooting too many 3's, particularly when Alcorn went to the zone. That's great when they fall, but at some point this season, especially when the legs start to wear down a bit, they'll have to be more effective scoring from inside the arc. Turner's jumpers aren't falling right now and I'm still not wow'ed by Lighty's shooting. I do expect ET to start making more of those 12-14 footers off the dribble. I'd really like to see Lighty shooting more from that same range rather than just shooting 3's.

Simmons looked good shooting the ball, but we saw him have a couple games like that last year, too. Like Jamar Butler, he seems to be a much better shooter off the dribble than off the pass.

I expect the front court to be a continuing concern most of the season, but if Turner and Lighty can continue to rebound like they have been and get out and run, OSU should be able to force other teams to go away from their big lineups to matchup. The big key to that will be defending the 4/5 just well enough to avoid strings of easy buckets then rebounding and running.

Agree with what both of you guys have said regarding the fact that we probably can run with anybody and it is good to see the guys rebound and get the ball up court had a much more rapid pace than we have seen in past years.

I would have also liked them to run a few more sets when Alcorn went to their zone defense. I know that the majority of our perimeter guys can shoot the three but I hate to live and die with three-point shooting. There is bound to be a couple games this year when we don't shoot like we did last night. Everybody was knocking down threes.

I think our depth for help as mentioned because it will keep the legs fresher which probably means our outside shooting will not fail us because of tired legs as the season progresses.

I had hoped to see more out of the big guy but maybe because he has not played for a season he needs to get back into game situations. Madsen was a pleasant surprise on both the offensive and defensive ends of the court. His defense looked very good especially when he hedged on guys coming around screens. However, Dallas is going to need to stay out of foul trouble when we start playing against better teams like a week from this Thursday.

Like the majority of you guys just love the way they get up and down the court.

 

[MaxBuck]

Just do me a favor, everyone, and quit using the stupid phrase, "live and die by the three." The only worse than an overused cliche is an overused, inaccurate cliche.

Nothing wrong with taking 3s when you're hitting them at a 42% clip; that's equivalent to hitting 63% on 2s. And when you're confronted with a loose zone that leaves the perimeter open, the smart play is to shoot 3s, especially when you have the kind of jump shooters we have. Simmons, Diebler, and Buford are about as good as it gets, and Turner, Lighty and PJ Hill have their moments also. Kecman has shown range as well.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

Just do me a favor, everyone, and quit using the stupid phrase, "live and die by the three." The only worse than an overused cliche is an overused, inaccurate cliche.

Nothing wrong with taking 3s when you're hitting them at a 42% clip; that's equivalent to hitting 63% on 2s. And when you're confronted with a loose zone that leaves the perimeter open, the smart play is to shoot 3s, especially when you have the kind of jump shooters we have. Simmons, Diebler, and Buford are about as good as it gets, and Turner, Lighty and PJ Hill have their moments also. Kecman has shown range as well.

I disagree. Yes it is used alot, but when you have a good shooting team that shoots a majority of their shots from behind the arc it is a very true statement.

42% is an average...Sometimes good 3 point shooting can be a huge advantage in a game, if you shoot 65%. But if you shoot 20% on a night and you chuck up 30 or so then that is dying by the 3.

We have guys that can take the ball to the rack and score inside the 3 point line, it is good to have a balance, so when we have one of those bad nights there is no reason to keep chucking them up...

 

[MaxBuck]

You never hear anybody say, "live or die by driving the paint." But if you're playing against a front line of Oden, Olajuwon and Bill Russell, your likelihood of success using this strategy is microscopic.

Just quit using the phrase; it is a trite cliche that adds nothing to anyone's understanding. Using it stamps you as someone who can't be bothered to critically consider anything past free-throw percentage. I think we can all figure out for ourselves that a team that hoists 30 long-balls and sinks only 6 may not win the game. Similarly, if you only shoot 35% from the paint you're also likely to lose.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Well, 5-10 footers tend to be higher percentage shots. I think the phrase is accurate.

 

[LitlBuck]

You never hear anybody say, "live or die by driving the paint." But if you're playing against a front line of Oden, Olajuwon and Bill Russell, your likelihood of success using this strategy is microscopic.

Just quit using the phrase; it is a trite cliche that adds nothing to anyone's understanding. Using it stamps you as someone who can't be bothered to critically consider anything past free-throw percentage. I think we can all figure out for ourselves that a team that hoists 30 long-balls and sinks only 6 may not win the game. Similarly, if you only shoot 35% from the paint you're also likely to lose.

Some teams live and die by their three point shooting I am stupid.

Turnovers will be key to the game

 

[Oh8ch]

A teams that lives by taking what the Defense gives them dies by taking what the Defense gives them.


Then again, not.

 

[bkochmc]

Turnovers will be key to the game

[jo4h] everyone knows the real key to the game...[/jo4h]

 

[crazybuckfan40]

You never hear anybody say, "live or die by driving the paint." But if you're playing against a front line of Oden, Olajuwon and Bill Russell, your likelihood of success using this strategy is microscopic.

Just quit using the phrase; it is a trite cliche that adds nothing to anyone's understanding. Using it stamps you as someone who can't be bothered to critically consider anything past free-throw percentage. I think we can all figure out for ourselves that a team that hoists 30 long-balls and sinks only 6 may not win the game. Similarly, if you only shoot 35% from the paint you're also likely to lose.

When we talk about the 3 point shot you are talking about the statistically the most difficult shot in basketball percentage wise. But it is also the most point wise. So it is a high risk high reward, so you can do good things for you or bad things, if that is a high percentage of your offense.

It is not about understanding of the game...But when you are chucking 3 pointers, instead of driving, and getting easier looks, you can very well struggle in games when you are the better team.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

When we talk about the 3 point shot you are talking about the statistically the most difficult shot in basketball percentage wise. But it is also the most point wise. So it is a high risk high reward, so you can do good things for you or bad things, if that is a high percentage of your offense.

It is not about understanding of the game...But when you are chucking 3 pointers, instead of driving, and getting easier looks, you can very well struggle in games when you are the better team.

pitno built his uk teams under the efective fg % model. statistically you have a greater chance of scoring on an average basis. then again most people know basketball isnt a game of averages, rather a game of runs. so thus the phraseology, you live by the three you die by the three...

that being said you have a team with three of the same positions (or similar position players0 [diebler, bufford, turner] and a what ill call a tweener [lighty] this maybe amongst the teams greatest strengths and larges liability... that being said team rebounding, hustle, defense and pushing the floor maybe essential to in game success. im not overly optimistic for sustained big ten success, yet i think it could be a very hard to beat, and the sort of lineup which could, if hot, wreck havoc come march...

 

[MaxBuck]

When we talk about the 3 point shot you are talking about the statistically the most difficult shot in basketball percentage wise.

Nonsense. The most difficult shot is the one where you shoot the ball with your feet while doing a handstand. Off the backboard. Facing away from the basket. From just inside the top of the key. Closely guarded. Off the dribble.