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Ohio State v. Michigan: A Different Perspective

LordJeffBuck

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Well, we've just won our sixth in a row against That Team Up North, but will that stop the weasels from squawking? No way! For the next year, all that you're going to hear from your maize and blue "friends" is how Michigan still "owns" Ohio State because (1) Michigan still holds a 57-43-6 advantage in The Game; (2) Michigan still has more national championships (9 to 7); (3) Michigan still has more Big Ten titles (42 to 34); (4) Michigan still has more All Americans and more members of the College Football Hall of Fame; and (5)Michigan is still the winningest college football program of all time (877 wins, .737 winning percentage). So, what is a poor Ohio State fan to do? If the "6 in a row" argument won't shut them up, then what will? To follow is a detailed breakdown of the two programs that puts the teams - and the rivalry - into some historical perspective.
 
Michigan Dominates the Early Years: 1879 to 1933

Michigan got a head start on the gridiron, as the Wolverines began their football program in 1879, while the Buckeyes did not get theirs underway until 1890. Michigan also reached the national stage earlier, with their incredible run from 1901 to 1905, when head coach Fielding "Hurry Up" Yost led the Wolverines to an overall record of 55-1-1 and four national championships. During that five-year stretch, Michigan outscored its opponents by a combined total of 2,821 to 42. While we must give Michigan some credit for being the first team to break the East Coast stranglehold on college football, it is clear that the game was quite a bit different back in the era before the forward pass, and nowadays it would be absolutely unthinkable for a team to rack up a .974 winning percentageover five consecutive seasons while beating its opponents by an average score of 49.5 to 1. But if you want to know how Michigan became a major football power, there's your answer ... and unfortunately, many Michigan fans still revert to that bygone era in some lame attempt to prove their continued dominance of the college football world.

Of course, Michigan couldn't keep up that amazing pace for ever, but the Wolverines still managed to win three more NCAA recognized national championships over the next thirty years. They also took home fifteen Big Ten championships between the founding of the conference in 1896 and 1933, despite having left the conference for a full decade (1907 to 1916). Michigan's overall record from the inception of its program until 1933 was 314-74-21, which equates to a.793 winning percentage.

Ohio State's program got off to a much slower start. Outside of the Chic Harley era (1916, 1917, 1919), when the Buckeyes posted a record of 21-1-1 (a .935 winning percentage) and won their first two Big Ten championships, Ohio State didn't accomplish much and consequently didn't receive a lot of national attention. While the Buckeyes' record from 1890 to 1933 was a respectable 230-115-31 (a .656 winning percentage), it was clear that Ohio State'sprogram was nowhere near the level of Michigan during those early days of college football.

On October 21, 1933, Michigan beat Ohio State by the score of 13-0, which increased their record in The Game to 22-6-2. The victory would propel Michigan (7-0-1) to their seventh recognized national championship, and would deny Ohio State (7-1-0) its first. The Wolverines won the battle that year, but 1933 would mark the end of an era for Wolverine football.

Michigan 1879 to 1933
Overall record: 314-74-21
Win differential: +84
Winning percentage: .793
Winning percentage differential: +.137
National championships: seven (1901, 1902, 1903, 1904, 1918, 1923, 1933)
Big Ten titles: fifteen (1898, 1901, 1902, 1903, 1904, 1906, 1918, 1922, 1923, 1925, 1926, 1930, 1931, 1932, 1933)
Bowl record: 1-0-0 (1902 Rose Bowl)
Record in The Game: 22-6-2 (.767)
Walter Camp All Americans: 19
College Football Hall of Famers: 15

Ohio State 1890 to 1933
Overall record: 230-115-31
Win differential: -84
Winning percentage: .656
Winning percentage differential: -.137
National championships: zero
Big Ten Titles: three (1916, 1917, 1920)
Bowl record: 0-1-0 (1921 Rose Bowl)
Record in The Game: 6-22-2 (.233)
Walter Camp All Americans: 5
College Football Hall of Famers: 4
 
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The Two Powers Vie for Supremacy: 1934 to 1949

Prior to 1934, Ohio State won just six times in the first thirty installments of The Game. Then the Buckeyes went on an impressive little run, shutting out the Wolverines four straight times from 1934 to 1937 under the guidance of head coach Francis "Close the Gates of Mercy" Schmidt. During the mid-1930's, Ohio State was beginning to become recognized as a legitimate national power, and only narrow losses in 1934 (to Illinois, 14-13) and 1935 (to Notre Dame, 18-13) prevented the Buckeyes from winning national titles for those seasons. However, the Buckeyes finally won their first national championship in 1942, when Paul Brown led them to the AP crown. Two years later, the most underrated Ohio State team in history posted a perfect 9-0-0 record, earned a second-place finish in the AP poll (behind Army), received its first Heisman Trophy (Les Horvath) and first AFCA Coach of the Year Award (Carroll Widdoes), placed three members on the eleven-man Walter Camp All-America team (Les Horvath, Bill Hackett, and Jon Dugger), and boasted three future members of the College Football Hall of Fame (Les Horvath, Bill Willis, and Warren Amling); in retrospect, this team earned national championship recognition from an organization known as the National Championship Foundation (NCF)FN1.

While Ohio State was clearly the dominant program from 1934 to 1944, Michigan had a mini-renaissance during the latter years of the decade. From 1945 to 1948, Michigan had an overall record of 32-5-1, including a perfect 4-0-0 in The Game. In addition, the Wolverines earned an AP championship in 1948, and their 10-0-0 season in 1947 garnered a #2 ranking in the final AP poll (behind Notre Dame) and a retroactive national title from the NCF. But the 1948 season was the end of another era for the Wolverines, as it marked the last time that Michigan would win an undisputed national championship.

This era of the rivalry had an interesting finish in 1949, as Ohio State and Michigan battled to a 7-7 tie in The Game and split a Big Ten championship that year. Because Michigan had been to the Rose Bowl after the 1947 season, Ohio State was awarded the conference's bid in 1949. The Buckeyes headed out to Pasadena to play the California Golden Bears, and they earned their first ever bowl victory by the score of 17 to 14.

An examination of the two programs from 1934 to 1949 shows that they were very nearly identical during that time: both had similar winning percentages (.700 for Michigan, .693 for Ohio State); both had one AP title (1942 for Ohio State, 1948 for Michigan) and one perfect season that earned a retroactive title from the NCF (1944 for Ohio State, 1947 for Michigan); and both had one Heisman Trophy winner (Tom Harmon for Michigan in 1940, Les Horvath for Ohio State in 1944), and each team had one Rose Bowl (1948 for Michigan, 1950 for Ohio State) victory and no bowl losses. Michigan held a slight advantage in The Game (8-6-2).
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1 The NCAA recognizes NCF champions from the era prior to the advent of the AP poll (1869 to 1935); NCF champions from 1936 onward are not recognized by the NCAA.
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Michigan 1934 to 1949
Overall record: 96-40-4
Win differential: +4
Winning percentage: .700
Winning percentage differential: +.007
National championships: one AP (1948); one NCF (1947)
Big Ten titles: four (1943, 1947, 1948, 1949)
Bowl record: 1-0-0 (1948 Rose Bowl)
Record in The Game: 8-6-2 (.5625)
Heisman winners: one (Tom Harmon, 1940)
Maxwell winners: one (Tom Harmon, 1940)
AFCA-COY winners: two (Fritz Crisler, 1947; Bennie Oosterbaan, 1948)
Walter Camp All Americans: 10
College Football Hall of Famers: 9

Ohio State 1934 to 1949
Overall record: 92-39-6
Win differential: -4
Winning percentage: .693
Winning percentage differential: -.007
National championships: one AP (1942); one NCF (1944)
Big Ten Titles: five (1935, 1939, 1942, 1944, 1949)
Bowl record: 1-0-0
Record in The Game: 6-8-2 (.4375)
Heisman winners: one (Les Horvath, 1944)
Maxwell winners: zero
AFCA-COY winners: one (Carroll Widdoes, 1944)
Walter Camp All Americans: 8
College Football Hall of Famers: 7
 
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Ohio State Gains Ascendancy: 1950 to 2009

In 1951, Ohio State hired Woody Hayes to be its nineteenth head football coach, and that single decision led to the ascendancy of Ohio State in its rivalry with Michigan. While the Wolverines struggled during the decade of the 1950's, posting an overall record of just 52-36-3 (a .588 winning percentage) with only a single conference co-championship (1950) and no major award winners, the Buckeyes became the undisputed kings of the Big Ten. During that decade, Ohio State went 63-24-5 (.712 winning percentage), with three outright conference titles (1954, 1955, and 1957), two national championships (1954 and 1957), two Rose Bowl victories (1954 and 1957), two Heisman Trophy winners (Vic Janowicz in 1950 and Hopalong Cassady in 1955), a Maxwell Award winner (Hopalong Cassady in 1955), an Outland Trophy winner (Jim Parker in 1956), and an AFCA Coach of the Year (Woody Hayes in 1957).

Ohio State continued its run into the early 1960's, with another national championship (1961), another Maxwell Award winner (Bob Ferguson in 1961), and a 50-20 hammering of Michigan in the 1961 version of The Game. After that point, however, Ohio State's production fell off somewhat, while Michigan's program nearly fell off the map altogether. From 1962 to 1967, the Buckeyes posted a record of 35-18-1 (.657 winning percentage) with no conference championships; and during the same period, Michigan was just 28-28-2 (.500 winning percentage) with one conference title (1964) and four losing seasons (1962, 1963, 1965, and 1967).

Ohio State broke out of its slump in 1968, with a perfect 10-0-0 season, a 50-14 annihilation of Michigan in The Game, and a solid 27-16 victory over #2 Southern Cal in the Rose Bowl. In the process, the Buckeyes earned an undisputed Big Ten title and a unanimous national championship.

Although Ohio State had the far more impressive season in 1968, Michigan still finished with a record of 8-2-0 that year, which was a marked improvement over much of the previous two decades. In 1969, the Wolverines, under rookie head coach Bo Schembechler, got their revenge, as their 24-12 victory over Ohio State broke the Buckeyes' 22-game winning streak and cost them the opportunity to repeat as national champions. That edition of The Game began the Ten Year War between Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler, and for most of that decade, The Game had national title implications. Although neither team won a national championship during the Ten Year War, each team played the role of spoiler for the other, with Michigan halting Ohio State's title run in 1969; with Ohio State ruining Michigan's perfect seasons in 1970, 1972, and 1974; and with both teams losing a chance at perfection after the 10-10 tie in the 1973 Game. The end result of the Ten Year War: Bo 5, Woody 4, with one tie.

Ohio State made another serious national title run in 1979, when an 18-15 victory in The Game gave the Buckeyes a perfect 11-0-0 regular season and a #1 ranking in both major polls; however, the Buckeyes' season of dreams would end with a one-point loss to #3 Southern Cal in the Rose Bowl. Throughout the decade of the 1980's, neither team accomplished very much on the national stage, and it wasn't until the mid-1990's that the programs re-emerged as legitimate national title contenders. Ohio State entered The Game undefeated in 1993, 1995, and 1996, but in each of those years the Wolverines spoiled the Buckeyes' national championship hopes with an upset victory. Ohio State failed to return the favor in 1997, when Michigan gained a narrow 20-14 victory in The Game on route to its first national championship in fifty years.

The Buckeyes finally won The Game in 1998, and finished the season at 11-1-0 and a #2 ranking in both major polls. However, after that season, the bottom fell out of the Ohio State program both on and off of the field, which ultimately led to the ouster of head football coach John Cooper. Although Coop had re-established Ohio State as a national football powerhouse, he simply could not beat Michigan on a regular basis, even with clearly superior teams, and he left Columbus with an appalling 2-10-1 record in The Game.

To replace John Cooper, Ohio State hired a relatively unknown head coach named Jim Tressel, who had guided Youngstown State to four Division I-AA national championships. Tressel put renewed emphasis on the Michigan rivalry, and he is currently riding a six-game winning streak in The Game with an overall record of 8 and 1 in the annual tilt. Ohio State's thrilling 14-9 victory in the 2002 installment of The Game propelled the Buckeyes' to their seventh national championship. On the other hand, Michigan is mired in one of its worst down cycles in the history of its storied program.

To recap: Since 1950, the two teams have been fairly equal on the conference level, with Ohio State claiming 27 Big Ten titles (12 outright), and Michigan claiming 24 (11 outright). Ohio State also owns a slight advantage in the game, with a 31-27-3.

However, on the national stage, Ohio State has been the clearly superior program. Over the past 61 seasons, Michigan has won just a single national championship, that being the AP title that they earned in 1997 after completing their only perfect season since 1948. Ohio State, on the other hand, has won six national titles during the same time span: 1954; 1957; 1961; 1968; 1970; and 2002. Furthermore, Michigan has just nine major bowl victories since 1950, while Ohio State has racked up nearly twice as many (fourteen) during that time. Finally, Ohio State has had the decided advantage in individual honors, leading in Heisman Trophy winners (6 to 2), Maxwell Award winners (4 to 1), Outland Trophy winners (4 to 0), Lombardi Award winners (6 to 1), Walter Camp All Americans (56 to 46), and College Football Hall of Famers (16 to 10).

Ohio State 1950 to 2014
Overall record: 553-165-15
Win differential: +48
Winning percentage: .765
Winning percentage differential: +.068
National championships: seven (1954, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1970, 2002, 2014)
Big Ten Titles: 27 (1954, 1955, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1981, 1984, 1986, 1993, 1996, 1998, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2014)
Overall bowl record: 20-23-0 (.465)
Major Bowl record: 15-12-0 (.556)
Record in The Game: 35-28-2 (.554)
Heisman winners: six (Vic Janowicz, 1950; Hopalong Cassady, 1955; Archie Griffin, 1974 & 1975; Eddie George, 1995; Troy Smith, 2006)
Maxwell winners: four (Hopalong Cassady, 1955; Bob Ferguson, 1961; Archie Griffin, 1975; Eddie George, 1995)
Outland winners: four (Jim Parker, 1956; Jim Stillwagon, 1970; John Hicks, 1973; Orlando Pace, 1996)
Lombardi winners: six (Jim Stillwagon, 1970; John Hicks, 1973; Chris Spielman, 1987; Orlando Pace, 1995 & 1996; A.J. Hawk, 2005)
AFCA-COY winners: three (Woody Hayes, 1957; Earle Bruce, 1979; Jim Tressel, 2002)
Walter Camp All Americans: 57
College Football Hall of Famers: 17

Michigan 1950 to 2014
Overall record: 505-216-13
Win differential: -48
Winning percentage: .697
Winning percentage differential: -.068
National championships: one (1997)
Big Ten titles: 23 (1950, 1964, 1969, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1980, 1982, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2004)
Overall bowl record: 18-23-0 (.439)
Major bowl record: 9-14-0 (.391)
Record in The Game: 28-35-2 (.446)
Heisman winners: two (Desmond Howard, 1991; Charles Woodson, 1997)
Maxwell winners: one (Desmond Howard, 1991)
Outland winners: zero
Lombardi winners: one (LaMarr Woodley, 2006)
AFCA-COY winners: two (Bo Schembechler, 1969; Lloyd Carr, 1997)
Walter Camp All Americans: 46
College Football Hall of Famers: 10
 
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Summary

Ohio State and Michigan were fairly equal during the middle period profiled above, namely 1934 to 1948, as each team had similar records, one AP national championship, one NCF national championship, and one Heisman Trophy winner.

The interesting comparison between the programs is during the early period (1879 to 1933), which clearly favored Michigan, and the late period (1949 to 2009), which favors Ohio State:

National Championships
Michigan
: 7 prior to 1934, one after 1949
Ohio State: none prior to 1934, 7 after 1949

Big Ten Titles
Michigan
: 15 prior to 1934, 23 after 1949
Ohio State: 3 prior to 1934, 27 after 1949

Walter Camp All Americans
Michigan
: 19 prior to 1934, 45 after 1949
Ohio State: 5 prior to 1934, 57 after 1949

College Football Hall of Famers
Michigan
: 15 prior to 1934, 10 after 1949
Ohio State: 4 prior to 1934, 17 after 1949

Major Award Winners
Michigan
: 6 after 1949
Ohio State: 23 after 1949

Total Wins
Michigan
: 314 prior to 1934, 505 after 1949
Ohio State: 230 prior to 1934, 553 after 1949

Win Differential
Michigan
: +84 prior to 1934, -48 after 1949
Ohio State: -84 prior to 1934, +48 after 1949

Overall Winning Percentage
Michigan
: .793 prior to 1934, .697 after 1949
Ohio State: .656 prior to 1934, .765 after 1949

Winning Percentage Differential
Michigan
: +.137 prior to 1934, -.068 after 1949
Ohio State: -.137 prior to 1934, +.068 after 1949

Record in The Game
Michigan
: 22-6-2 prior to 1934, 28-35-2 after 1949
Ohio State: 6-22-2 prior to 1934, 35-28-2 after 1949

Differential in The Game
Michigan
: +16 prior to 1934, -7 after 1949
Ohio State: -16 prior to 1934, +7 after 1949

From the above, it is clear that Michigan is a program on the decline with respect to Ohio State. Michigan's greatest period of glory was at the turn of the Twentieth Century, and the Wolverines continued to be a major national power until the late 1940's. However, during the past six decades, Ohio State holds the decided edge in every head-to-head category: national championships, Big Ten titles, total wins, winning percentage, and all individual recognitions ... and perhaps most importantly to Buckeye fans, the record in The Game. Like the British Empire, That School Up North was once the greatest of the great powers, but now it is simply a mere shadow of its former self.

It's good to be a Buckeye fan, living in the glory of the here and now, instead of always trying to resurrect the ghosts of a century past.
 
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Ohio State has the most outright Big Ten Championships and the all time highest winning percentage in Big Ten games.
Yes, before Michigan games their PA guy would always say how Michigan owned this record. It was neat that he wasn't able to say that this year. That's a hell of a thing for OSU to do, is pass Michigan in this regard.
 
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National Championships since 1948

7 USC 1962, 1967, 1972, 1974, 1978, 2003, 2004
7 Oklahoma 1950, 1955, 1956, 1974, 1975, 1985, 2000
7 Alabama 1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979, 1992
6 Ohio State 1954, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1970, 2002
6 Michigan St 1951, 1952, 1955, 1957, 1965, 1966
5 Notre Dame 1949, 1966, 1973, 1977, 1988
5 Nebraska 1970, 1971, 1994, 1995, 1997
5 Miami 1983, 1987, 1989, 1991, 2001
4 Texas 1963, 1969, 1970, 2005
4 Tennessee 1950, 1951, 1967, 1998
2 Michigan 1948, 1997
2 Georgia Tech 1952, 1990
2 Georgia 1968, 1980
1 Princeton 1950
1 Pittsburgh 1976
1 Minnesota 1960
1 Illinois 1951

LJB, why did you mention only 9 NCs for Michigan instead of the 11 I seem to see claimed online? Are there specific titles that you (or others) are disputing?
 
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National Championships since 1948

7 USC 1962, 1967, 1972, 1974, 1978, 2003, 2004
7 Oklahoma 1950, 1955, 1956, 1974, 1975, 1985, 2000
7 Alabama 1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979, 1992
6 Ohio State 1954, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1970, 2002
6 Michigan St 1951, 1952, 1955, 1957, 1965, 1966
5 Notre Dame 1949, 1966, 1973, 1977, 1988
5 Nebraska 1970, 1971, 1994, 1995, 1997
5 Miami 1983, 1987, 1989, 1991, 2001
4 Texas 1963, 1969, 1970, 2005
4 Tennessee 1950, 1951, 1967, 1998
2 Michigan 1948, 1997
2 Georgia Tech 1952, 1990
2 Georgia 1968, 1980
1 Princeton 1950
1 Pittsburgh 1976
1 Minnesota 1960
1 Illinois 1951

LJB, why did you mention only 9 NCs for Michigan instead of the 11 I seem to see claimed online? Are there specific titles that you (or others) are disputing?
I'm not sure where you got your list, but I used the NCAA official website: LINK

The NCAA credits Michigan with national championships for 1901, 1902, 1903, 1904, 1918, 1923, 1933, 1948, and 1997. If I recall correctly, Michigan also claims national championships for 1932 and 1947.

Here's the list of teams with more NCAA recognized national championships than Michigan after 1948:

7 Alabama (1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979, 1992)
7 Oklahoma (1950, 1955, 1956, 1974, 1975, 1985, 2000)
7 Southern Cal (1962, 1967, 1972, 1974, 1978, 2003, 2004)
6 Ohio State (1954, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1970, 2002)
6 Notre Dame (1949, 1964, 1966, 1973, 1977, 1988)
5 Miami (1983, 1987, 1989, 1991, 2001)
5 Nebraska (1970, 1971, 1994, 1995, 1997)
4 Texas (1963, 1969, 1970, 2005)
3 Florida (1996, 2006, 2008)
3 Louisiana State (1958, 2003, 2007)
2 Tennessee (1951, 1998)
2 Penn State (1982, 1986)
2 Florida State (1993, 1999)
2 Michigan State (1952, 1965)

Now here's the list of teams with the same number of NCAA recognized national championships as Michigan after 1948:

Maryland (1953)
UCLA (1954)
Auburn (1957)
Iowa (1958)
Syracuse (1959)
Minnesota (1960)
Mississippi (1960)
Arkansas (1964)
Pittsburgh (1976)
Georgia (1980)
Clemson (1981)
Brigham Young (1984)
Colorado (1990)
Georgia Tech (1990)
Washington (1991)
 
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LordJeffBuck;1605818; said:
I'm not sure where you got your list, but I used the NCAA official website: LINK

Just got mine from the infallible Wikipedia, where they make this disclaimer:

Because there is no one governing or official body that regulates, recognizes, or awards national championships in college football, and because many independent selectors of championships exist, many of the claims by the schools listed below are shared, contradict each other, or are controversial. In addition, because there is no one body overseeing national championships, no standardized requirements exist in order for a school to make a claim on a national championship, as any particular institution is free to make any declaration it deems to be fit. However, all known national championship claims are for seasons in which a National Championship, or share of a championship, was believed to be awarded to that particular school by at least one independent third-party selector.The majority of these claims, but not all, are based on championships awarded from selectors listed as "major" in the Official NCAA Division I Football Records Book. Not all championships awarded by third party selectors, nor those listed in the Official NCAA Records Book, are necessarily claimed by each school. Therefore, these claims represent how each individual school sees their own history on the subject of national championships.
 
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