Ohio State SOS

[MD Buckeye]

Cut your guys threads apart to just capture a couple of notions you make and with which I agree.

First, ask any kid who has gone to a new school and attracted the attention of the local bully, the way to shut them up is to kick their asses. They talk about us because they fear us.

Second, we are really selective in our memories. Ask Tressel or any of our players to describe it. Weeks after playing the "game of the century", we were flat out embarrassed. Yeah, the Big Ten won on the supporting card games against lesser opponents but we lost the two main card events, in an embarrassing fashion. We not only embarrassed ourselves but also the press who blew smoke up everyone's asses about us.

Penn State is a team that is capable of good play but seemingly unable to put it together. They are barely a top 25 team but they are that and deserve that respect. This game will be our second toughest test in my opinion, as The Game is always a tough test, no matter the previous records of the teams.

As for our schedule next year, we can only hope that Solich does a better job than he has thus far. They are not even a top 100 team down there in Athens. Youngstown State also must pull up its socks. Playing USC will dampen talk about an easy schedule, but the guys we put our schedule have to realize that earning their bucks they get for playing us means winning against other teams. It is a priviledge to play us and they have to earn it.

Great post. Didn't Ohio almost have an upset of a top program recently? Like within the past 2 or 3 years?

 

[Wells4Heisman]

I really wish the Buckeyes would come down to Georgia Tech to play a game... That truly would be grand...

 

[Jaxbuck]

It's high time that those of you who care realize that we are screwed in the court of public opinion anyway.

If the Big 10 goes 7-0 in Bowls this year, it will be ignored or called an aberration.

In 2002, when OSU won the NC, the Big 10 went 5-2 in bowls. That was the best record for any conference that year. It was mentioned once on ESPN, in passing, at the very end of a Sportscenter as an "oh by the way".

When we went 2-5 last year, it got wall-to-wall coverage; and people are still talking about it. They just fail to mention that the 2 wins were against the SEC.




It's this simple really (and I'm just repeating a point Jax has made):

If they can't get over the War of Northern Agression (Civil War to those of you who actually know history), what in the name of Robert E. Lee do you think is going to make them stop bad-mouthing northern football?​

That's right, nothing.​

You know the beautiful part though? With the way JT has the Buckeye Juggernaut rolling, it seems like it is only a matter of time before we face an SEC team for the National Title and win. At some point, it will happen.

It won't stop them talking, but you won't care at that point... will you?

Yep.

BTW, anyone who doesn't live down here and thinks we are exaggerating the Civil War stuff, you would be mistaken. Its only been 150 some odd years, they are still not over it. Seriously. When you really want to piss them off mention Grant was from Ohio.

As far as football goes I had a UF guy telling me they would be undefeated every year if they played in the B10...in 2003 after they had just gone 8-5 and lost their second Bowl game in a row to a B10 school.

There is no reasoning with an idiot(s), here is how I made my peace with them...before I start to argue I pause, estimate the time this will take knowing I will accomplish nothing and then ask myself how I would spend those few minutes if I knew I was dying tommorrow. It sure as hell wouldn't be spent arguing with some dumbass redneck.

My 2007 answer is simply to say you are right, we suck ass and are total frauds, just think how easy its going to be for you to beat us in the NC game if we should somehow stumble our way to it. They really don't have an answer for that one.

 

[MD Buckeye]

I really wish the Buckeyes would come down to Georgia Tech to play a game... That truly would be grand...

I'd like to see a Thursday night tOSU @ GT matchup.....but then again.....tOSU doesn't play on Thursdays :tongue2:

 

[MD Buckeye]

Yep.

BTW, anyone who doesn't live down here and thinks we are exaggerating the Civil War stuff, you would be mistaken. Its only been 150 some odd years, they are still not over it. Seriously. When you really want to piss them off mention Grant was from Ohio.

As far as football goes I had a UF guy telling me they would be undefeated every year if they played in the B10...in 2003 after they had just gone 8-5 and lost their second Bowl game in a row to a B10 school.

There is no reasoning with an idiot(s), here is how I made my peace with them...before I start to argue I pause, estimate the time this will take knowing I will accomplish nothing and then ask myself how I would spend those few minutes if I knew I was dying tommorrow. It sure as hell wouldn't be spent arguing with some dumbass redneck.

My 2007 answer is simply to say you are right, we suck ass and are total frauds, just think how easy its going to be for you to beat us in the NC game if we should somehow stumble our way to it. They really don't have an answer for that one.

Exactly. People hang on to last impressions and their last impression of tOSU was last year's NC game.

 

[bkochmc]

B&B

I don't disagree, Just think we could have made up for UW being down when we scheduled Kent.

Who would you have scheduled instead of Kent State? By the time October rolls around all major conferences are fully in conference play... unfortunately no one, Big10 included, is going to schedule a very tough opponent in the middle of conference play.

Normally the Kent State week would have been a bye week but since the NCAA instituted a 12th game this year Ohio State filled the game for, in my mind, 2 reasons:

1. Another home game generates $6,000,000+ in ticket sales alone for the athletic department
2. Playing ANY team is better than taking the day off from competition. How many of our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th team players got game experience with 100,000+ eyes watching them? Even though it was Kent State that game experience is valuable.

As I was typing the above I wondered about other conferences and how they handled the 12th game. After looking at some schedules the trend for each conference seems to be the following:

• ACC - Their conference season starts the very first week and ends the very last week of the season... did not notice a pattern for when OOC games were played
• Big East - Fillers during conference season... the conference only has 8 members so this isn't surprising.
• Big10 - Since there are 11 teams there will always be an odd team out on any given week thus why they have an OOC game during conference play.
• Big12 - The big schools still scheduled another gimmie but were scheduled at the beginning of the year before conference play started.
• Pac10 - Like the ACC their conference season starts the first week and goes until the last week of the season. But unlike every other conference they used the additional game for a true round-robin conference schedule (9 conference games, 3 OOC). Major props to the Pac10 for implementing this.
• SEC - Fillers during conference season, just like the Big10. The trend this year was for the big schools (LSU, Florida, Auburn) to play their OOC gimmie in November.

I looked at 20 or so schedules and the only OOC game during conference season that matched up two BCS conference teams was West Virginia vs. Mississippi State. Florida may argue that they can be included here since they play Florida State the last game of the year but I believe that game is always played at the end of the year (gatorubet can correct me if I'm wrong). There may have been more but I did not see them.

 

[Mike80]

who cares what others perception of our schedule is?

All Ohio State can control (and the fans can hope for) is to take care of the people in front of them.

The rest of it will take care of itself.

 

[martinss01]

i guess i don't really understand the point of this thread. last i checked tOSU was firmly ranked #1 in the nation. it seems to me that the coaches, the computers, AND the only media that matter think fairly highly of tOSU. what those in the media who make their livelyhood by creating controversy have to say really doesn't bother me that much.

LSU: VT, MTSU, @ Tulane, La Tech- VT is good, no one else is even decent.
Florida: W. Kentucky, Troy, FAU, FSU- No OOC road games, and FSU really isn't that much better than Washington.
OU: N. Texas, Miami, Utah State, @Tulsa- Miami is decent, other than that it looks a lot like ours. Tulsa barely counts as a road game, I bet it was 75/25 in favor of OU in the stadium.
USC: Idaho, @ Nebraska, @ ND: @ Nebraska doesn't look nearly as impressive as it did at the time. But they do only play 3, and they went on the road for 2 of them.
WVU: W. Michigan, @ Maryland, E. Carolina, Miss. State

and i would take washington against just about every team on that list.

In reality, our home and home series with Texas is probably the biggest/best OOC game this century, until our home and home with USC.

except for the fact that after we lost to florida the story suddenly became, "we lost because we played noone including a sucky texas team". not only did the media invalidate everything we accomplished that season. but everything each of our opponents accomplished.

2008 - at USC
2009 - USC
2010 - Miami
2011 - at Miami
2012 - Cal
2013 - Cal
2014 - Va Tech
2015 - Va Tech
2016 - Oklahoma
2017 - Oklahoma

if we beat each of the teams listed above each year it would change nothing.

media response:
usc - not the usc of old. we caught them in a down year or two. or it would be pinned on the investigations that are distracting the team.
miami - still rebuilding, means nothing, if we had played them earlier in the decade.. except 2002/3 i mean...
cal - mid level pac 10 team, if we played usc they would destroy us. (they would say this even if we did beat them 2-0 just 2 years prior)
va tech - we didn't beat them as well as other big name teams have done in the past therefor, we are not as good.
oklahoma - they are down as a program. how often do they loose to a weak texas team now?

tOSU, in recent years, more than any other college has actively sought out
big ooc games. sure, there are years when a big name team we schedule will be down. how much would massive ncaa violations and sanctions against usc affect a win or loss against said team over the next 2 years? sure today beating cal would be a decent boost to our sos. will it in 1012? college football is far too volatile to predict who the top teams will be 10 - 15 years into the future. the best you can do is schedule the strongest programs you can find that are willing to step up to the plate and then just win your games. you do that, chances are everything else will take care of itself.

right here right now, media bias included. we win out we go to the nc. we don't, we don't deserve to go to the nc. really thats all there is to say. but then, if thats all the talking heads had to say, we wouldn't watch now would we?

 

[Wingate1217]

Yep.

BTW, anyone who doesn't live down here and thinks we are exaggerating the Civil War stuff, you would be mistaken. Its only been 150 some odd years, they are still not over it. Seriously. When you really want to piss them off mention Grant was from Ohio.

And if you really want to see their eyes bug out, bring up that Sherman was also from Ohio, born in Lancaster.....

 

[BB73]

Last year tOSU became the first team in the history of the weekly AP poll (since 1936) to play in three #1-vs-#2 matchups in the same season. The team went 2-1 in those games, losing badly in the last one, and it became fashionable to knock the Buckeyes. Every other team to win two of those matchups in a season was declared a national champion (they were obviously all 2-0).

This year the SOS is down, but if tOSU wins out they deserve to play in the title game. Anyone stating otherwise is just stirring up the shit, which is all some media types want to accomplish.

I'd rather concentrate on the opponent each week.

 

[Ttown]

Last year tOSU became the first team in the history of the weekly AP poll (since 1936) to play in three #1-vs-#2 matchups in the same season. The team went 2-1 in those games, losing badly in the last one, and it became fashionable to knock the Buckeyes. Every other team to win two of those matchups in a season was declared a national champion (they were obviously all 2-0).

This year the SOS is down, but if tOSU wins out they deserve to play in the title game. Anyone stating otherwise is just stirring up the shit, which is all some media types want to accomplish.

I'd rather concentrate on the opponent each week.

Or they have the absurd Idea that their team is as good. What we need to do is beat an SEC team 70 - 0. That would zip some lips.

 

[MD Buckeye]

Or they have the absurd Idea that their team is as good. What we need to do is beat an SEC team 70 - 0. That would zip some lips.

doubtful. people would still harp on us.

 

[martinss01]

Or they have the absurd Idea that their team is as good. What we need to do is beat an SEC team 70 - 0. That would zip some lips.

negative. they simply wouldn't talk about that game in the future.

 

[Ttown]

doubtful. people would still harp on us.

What could they say about ,"ooooooooooooooohhh we almost beat you guys" it was only 70 - 0 ?

 

[MD Buckeye]

What could they say about ,"ooooooooooooooohhh we almost beat you guys" it was only 70 - 0 ?

people are going to continuously point out last year's NC game, no matter what. only way i see them "somewhat" shutting up is if we get a "2-1 lead" in the "Series".