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Ohio State at Michigan State, Sunday, February 17, 1 PM, CBS

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OSU_Buckguy said:
the thing is this, though: do you see this team progressing or regressing?

it's difficult to judge a coach from march to november. from november to march is quite another matter.

heck, how pleased are you about the in-game coaching?
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Holtmann's got a strong multi-year track record. While I haven't been impressed with this team's lack of basketball IQ, which Holtmann can be held responsible for, sometimes in hoops, especially with a largely young team, the guys just don't get it. I don' even know that they're regressing so much as just being what they are and wearing down on top of it. It's also, obviously, very much a transition year. While the bloom might be off of Holtmann's rose a little bit after last year's shockingly successful season, I'm not going to punish him for raising expectations prematurely rather than having a mediocre team last year too. I need to see them look dumb and fail to progress appropriately next year before I start worrying about Holtmann.

EDIE: Kind of like Schiano, I don't think that he just suddenly forgot how to coach.
 
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Terrible second half, just can't play like that and win against anybody. There is no offensive talent that can score when the offense breaks down, and there is often no semblance of a cohesive offense with a lot of guys standing around and waiting. But let's be honest, the NIT was probably the most likely outcome for this team based on talent on paper. A little bit reminiscent of the young 2008 team getting depantsed by Butler in the second half after a good first half.
 
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OSU_Buckguy said:
the thing is this, though: do you see this team progressing or regressing?

it's difficult to judge a coach from march to november. from november to march is quite another matter.

heck, how pleased are you about the in-game coaching?
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I'd say most of the players are playing worse outside of Andre and Jallow who maybe have the slightest improvement. Still there improvement doesn't provide much of anything. Kaleb has gotten worse but that's due to not being able to stay on the floor. Woods is just downright terrible after being ok in the non conference games. Ahrens and LeDee are just non-factors year long. Luther is getting worse. Washington has gotten worse. CJ is not good at anything besides making a couple of 3s a game.
 
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Great 33 minutes of tOSU basketball! Several runs by both teams throughout the game, but then somebody put the lid on tOSU's basket with seven minutes left ---and the good guys seemed to lose everything they had done to that point. Turnovers, fear of shooting, leaving their man open, half a step slow, just everything. Whatever they did in the first half, plus half of the second, was darn good. Played the #5 (?) team in the nation to a standstill. Run out of gas? Fear? Dunno. Ahrens was brought in for his shooting. Then he hesitates. Kaleb getting a pass down low, then instead of flushing it withpower, tries to bank off the board, allowing TWO guys to pin it to the backboard. Everyone got cold for tOSU, and everything MSU threw up went in. Almost like the good guys were snake bit, and started believing they couldn't win. It happens. MSU is a good team, and Izzo has them primed for a deep run in March. tOSU had tired legs, with no depth. J-Dee looks like he's regressed. He should be getting better, acting as foil for Kaleb, with Oden there teaching him. (I was one, so watch the bigs a lot) . MSU's D pushed our guys past the three point perimeter, almost daring them to go inside. Some good things to build on, but there's a mental block there. When tOSU plays good D, AND protects the ball, good/great things seem to happen. Go Bucks!
 
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OHIO STATE'S STAGNATING OFFENSE REACHES LATEST LOW WITH 13 SECOND-HALF POINTS IN MICHIGAN STATE LOSS

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Ohio State and Michigan State were locked at 42 points apiece with 7:40 remaining in Sunday afternoon’s Big Ten matchup. Kenny Goins had drilled a 3-pointer to give the Spartans a three-point lead, firing up the Breslin Center, but C.J. Jackson responded with a triple just 32 seconds later.

What happened next hadn’t happened the entire season, though it wasn’t entirely surprising given the offensive struggles. Even though scoring droughts were nothing new to Ohio State, which has experienced quite a few ruts this season, nothing quite compares to the quick, efficient domination Michigan State enacted on the Buckeyes.

Ohio State proceeded to score two points and not make a single field goal the remainder of the game, allowing the Spartans to close the contest on a 20-2 run and pull ahead for a 62-44 victory.

In the final 12 minutes, Jackson’s game-tying 3-pointer was the Buckeyes' only made field goal. They missed 10 shots during that stretch, including five 3-pointers, three jumpers and two layups. Ohio State shot just 32 percent for the game and 19 percent for the second half. The team’s offensive rating of 69.3 versus the Spartans was the worst since KenPom.com was created 18 years ago.

“We tried a variety of things,” Chris Holtmann said. “We tried playing through the post. We tried playing through Kaleb. We tried playing through Andre a few times. Outside of a couple actions we ran out of timeouts, we didn't have a whole lot of luck.”

Ohio State’s 44 points were the program’s fewest since Wisconsin held the Buckeyes to 43 points on Dec. 31, 2009.

The Buckeyes made only 1-of-5 layups and 1-of-9 3-pointers in the second half, and they didn’t get to the free-throw line enough to make up for that lack of production. They went 4-for-8 from the charity stripe in the final 20 minutes.

Freshmen Luther Muhammad and Duane Washington Jr. combined to miss all of their eight shot attempts and turn the ball over three times. They played together for the beginning of Michigan State’s stretch run, but were subbed out for a pair of redshirt seniors after the Spartans scored 10 points in a row.

C.J. Jackson and Keyshawn Woods didn’t fare much better, though. They made 2-of-6 shots in 25 combined second-half minutes. Five players – Musa Jallow, Andre Wesson, Kaleb Wesson, Woods and Muhammad – had two turnovers.

“Certainly it's been a challenge, but it's not like we didn't expect that we were going to have trouble scoring this year,” Holtmann said. “So there was an expectation that that was going to be something. I think we've got to keep taking good shots. I think you give Michigan State credit, too, for how they defended, particularly in the second half but really throughout the game. I'm confident that we'll be better offensively, and we'll make those shots around the rim and on the perimeter that we missed.”

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...-13-second-half-points-in-michigan-state-loss
 
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