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Ohio State 81 Jacksonville 68 (Final)

schwab;1358447; said:
15-28, 53.6%, or exactly one 'make' worse than Dallas Lauderdale (16-28)... even after figuring in the 5-7.

For someone who is going to have the ball down the stretch in critical games as much as DL will, yes, I am especially concerned.

Speaking of Dallas...I wonder why BJ isn't in the game at the end when free throws could decide the game? He's obviously got a better looking shot than DL. Might get ugly if teams decide to play hack-a-Dallas.
 
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jo said:
mullens is also bring the ball down, way down, sometimes to his waist. keep it in the triangle big man. agree on forcing it. positioning and footwork look better though. mullens excites me. thad has to be drooling... i agree on the passes to him. thads teams tend to throw poor entry passes for whatever reason. you know im a huge fan of post, entry, kick out, repost, entry (easy basket). im going to wonder what kind of shape hes in out loud. at this point does he understand what it takes to play high minutes at this level

Yeah I agree he is bringing the ball down...I think at times he is getting the ball too far up the lane, and that is when he needs to post and repost...The one time he actually got the ball when I was really paying attention to him getting position he tried a 2 handed pound dribble and dribbled it off his foot...He had great position and really didn't need the pound dribble...Would like to see him use the drop step more and quit with the ugly fade away...Oden didn't have the all around, spin move hook shot, fade away, jump shot, that Mullens possesses but he also knew how to get position and score easy buckets on dunks and simple drop step moves...It helped that he was stronger as well, and a had a guy like Conley that he had played with and knew where to get him the ball...



lighty beneifited from a smaller team, no one on that floor was as physical as ldavid. that wont be the case in big ten play. i still think david is not a primary scoring option. he needs to get his points primarily outside of offensive sets. transition, rebounding, getting to the rim of the pass with 1-2 dribbles. he can be highly effective doing this. he also needs to continue his strong defensive presence.

I agree with you here, and Lighty seems to be the type the earlier he gets involved on the offensive end the more assertive he is going to be for the night...His 3's falling down really helped as well...

did crater look out of shape to anyone else? he played about 3 mins and lost his energy. conditioning issue id guess. jsu realized they could pressure simmons and create turnover. trust me that if they catch on izzo, painter and company will catch on, keep in mind you have to play most b10 teams twice. theyll have us scouted up ten times better than anyone in the preseason.

Crater looked like he lost confidence and got pissed off with what was going on out on the court more so than conditioning...When we were getting pressured, he just walked up the court and let Turner or Lighty bring it up, and it seemed liked it pissed him off he wasn't getting the ball...Then when he tried to get it back he would use a piss poor cut to try and get back open...Let to a steal the one time...seems more like lack of cofidence to me...Scary with the way they were able to pressure Simmons...He seems lacadasical with the ball at times, especially when he throws it behind his back...

bufford. hes got to play defense. he has to get back. he has to pass his man better in the zone. he has to play with more consistency. he has to play with more intensity on the defensive end. he has to realize in college he cant be all time offense...

I agree, I catch myself in scoring droughts calling for Buford, but he is out of position quite a bit on defense, but he is truly instant offense...

turner, very good player. turnovers. turnovers, 4. to many when thats an off/acceptable night. the reason ive been hard on this kid is hes a lottery pick. he really is, this or next year.

Truly don't believe it will be after this year...He needs more stregth for the NBA or the turnovers will go even higher in the NBA...He just needs to be under control when he makes his move...I swear with his spin move he turns it over 50% of the time...he had some shaky passes out top last night as well...

diebler-increasing his consistency. i still wonder people expect him to make every shot, he wont, no one will. but he is playing much better. maybe at this point in the year he his playing the best of anyone in all aspects of the game combined.

The kid understands the game...He is the best entry passer as well...He had two very good passes to Lauderdale, which led to a dunk and one to Mullens which is the one he dribbled off his foot...

simmons-needs to handle pressure with the ball better, his to resulted in easy baskets and empty poessions.

Yep we are really struggling at pg right now, but they are doing enough to get us by...Simmons has never played with talent he has around him this year, which I still think he is adjusting to...

dallas-im not sure i see the fascination with dallas... he needs to play with more effort, not just post block screaming. needs to find himself on the floor. his positioing is questionable, though poor floor positioing/spacing has led to about half of his blocks, it has also costed the team rebounds, baskets and fouls. needs to run the floor. what kind of shape is he really in... i wonder. he also reacts oddly... maybe 40 has more info. hes had some very coachable moments the last few games.

Think Lauderdale is dealing with some confidence issues...or overthinking...He is in great shape...But Matta seems to be hard on him the last couple games for good reasons...Matta pulled Mullens up off the bench one time when he got mad at Lauderdale...

outrebounded, out scored in the paint, out second chanced, outscored off the bench 2-1 ratio.

This is worriesome, when we meet teams that are bigger and stronger than us...
 
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I will say this once again and probably will continue to say it until I see some improvement in the zone defense. It seems like Matta wants to put pressure on the ball by extending the zone and doing a little bit of trapping. This is creating a lot of holes in the zone and is leaving an opposing player on the weak side of the zone open quite frequently. It also makes it very difficult for our big guys to get out into the corner and cover those shooters and when that happens that leaves the middle also wide open. I would like Thad to try at least play some man-to-man if he wants to put pressure on the ball in the half-court.

I agree with what cbf40 has said in a prior post that Mullens works his tail off to get some good position and the wing players just look at him and either pass the ball around the perimeter were jacked up a three-point shot. Almost reminds me of last year when KK would have good post position and the perimeter guys would sort of ignore him.

I have read where JO thinks that Buford needs to play better defense and do all sorts of other things before he should see more playing time. I don't see how you can improve on certain things unless you are getting playing time. Sure, you need to improve in practice but game situations are entirely different.

On a positive note, it was good to see Lighty finally show some of his offensive abilities but he needs to be at least a double digit scorer in almost every game if we are going to contest for the Big 10 title.
It was also good to see the team play a little more up-tempo on offense. I think that's where our athletic ability can really help.

I am very concerned about our zone defense and we really don't play anyone that will give us problems until we see West Virginia on the 28th. Hopefully, I hope we will see some improvement.
 
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LitlBuck;1358495; said:
I will say this once again and probably will continue to say it until I see some improvement in the zone defense. It seems like Matta wants to put pressure on the ball by extending the zone and doing a little bit of trapping. This is creating a lot of holes in the zone and is leaving an opposing player on the weak side of the zone open quite frequently. It also makes it very difficult for our big guys to get out into the corner and cover those shooters and when that happens that leaves the middle also wide open. I would like Thad to try at least play some man-to-man if he wants to put pressure on the ball in the half-court.

I agree with what cbf40 has said in a prior post that Mullens works his tail off to get some good position and the wing players just look at him and either pass the ball around the perimeter were jacked up a three-point shot. Almost reminds me of last year when KK would have good post position and the perimeter guys would sort of ignore him.

I have read where JO thinks that Buford needs to play better defense and do all sorts of other things before he should see more playing time. I don't see how you can improve on certain things unless you are getting playing time. Sure, you need to improve in practice but game situations are entirely different.

On a positive note, it was good to see Lighty finally show some of his offensive abilities but he needs to be at least a double digit scorer in almost every game if we are going to contest for the Big 10 title.
It was also good to see the team play a little more up-tempo on offense. I think that's where our athletic ability can really help.

I am very concerned about our zone defense and we really don't play anyone that will give us problems until we see West Virginia on the 28th. Hopefully, I will see some improvement.

Honestly I don't see the defense as a problem...the numbers speak for themselves...Yeah we are out of position at times, but we have the ability to scramble and recover and our length helps that, but I really can't imagine our big guys playing screen and rolls and helping on drive to the baskets right now...They are out of position in the zone too much right now...Much easier for these guys to get back and get into position of the zone out of the press we use which has been very good to us...and we seem to go on runs when we get a couple turnovers in a row from either the press or the zone using traps, and we can afford to use the trap and let teams try to get in the lane and take it at Dallas or BJ...I saw multiple times last night where their little guys went into the lane and dribbled right back out as they got scared down there...

It is really the cutters and the baseline guys finding the dead spots, and the close outs from the big guys where they don't move their feet and let the guy drive around him, or when they over load a side and we still try and watch the backside with too many guys...Gotta move the zone to the strong side if they overload it...
 
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crazybuckfan40;1358500; said:
Honestly I don't see the defense as a problem...the numbers speak for themselves...Yeah we are out of position at times, but we have the ability to scramble and recover and our length helps that, but I really can't imagine our big guys playing screen and rolls and helping on drive to the baskets right now...They are out of position in the zone too much right now...Much easier for these guys to get back and get into position of the zone out of the press we use which has been very good to us...and we seem to go on runs when we get a couple turnovers in a row from either the press or the zone using traps, and we can afford to use the trap and let teams try to get in the lane and take it at Dallas or BJ...I saw multiple times last night where their little guys went into the lane and dribbled right back out as they got scared down there...

It is really the cutters and the baseline guys finding the dead spots, and the close outs from the big guys where they don't move their feet and let the guy drive around him, or when they over load a side and we still try and watch the backside with too many guys...Gotta move the zone to the strong side if they overload it...
That is my entire point. There have been way too many times that we have been out of position in the zone defense and was not only last night. Sure we were one of the better defensive teams in the country before last night if you go by statistics but I just see a lot of holes in that zone when they extend the perimeter defense. It is putting way too much pressure on the big guys to get out and cover. It is almost like they're trying to play man-to-man in a zone defense and if that is what Matta wants to do I would just rather see them go man-to-man at least for a while to see how they do perform.
 
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LitlBuck;1358506; said:
That is my entire point. There have been way too many times that we have been out of position in the zone defense and was not only last night. Sure we were one of the better defensive teams in the country before last night if you go by statistics but I just see a lot of holes in that zone when they extend the perimeter defense. It is putting way too much pressure on the big guys to get out and cover. It is almost like they're trying to play man-to-man in a zone defense and if that is what Matta wants to do I would just rather see them go man-to-man at least for a while to see how they do perform.

Obviously when you go a whole game playing a zone you are going to see holes in a zone...Obviously no defense it perfect, much like if we went man to man you would see holes...But the better we get at it and the more time we play it the better it is going to get...No defense is going to be perfect for 40 minutes...

It is a match up zone, which makes it much more difficult to beat...If a guy dribbles from one spot to another the guy that is on him stays with him and the other guy rotates to his spot...It is dictated by the offense so it is hard for a team to really get a feel for what they are going to see from film...Same thing Cuse' ran for all those years...

I think we would have more problems in man to man which is why we stick with the zone...

It is also a good defense depending on who we are playing...We can extend or pack it in...
 
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Same thing Cuse' ran for all those years...
I guess I am the devil's advocate because our zone defense is nowhere close to the Syracuse defense that they have played for all those years. We just differ my friend:) and I hope you are correct that we are playing the right defense but when it comes to basketball I am pretty familiar with individuals players responsibilities in a zone. Don't know much about the other aspects of the game but do know a little about zone defenses.

I hope you are right because the defense is the key to this season.
 
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LitlBuck;1358519; said:
I guess I am the devil's advocate because our zone defense is nowhere close to the Syracuse defense that they have played for all those years. We just differ my friend:) and I hope you are correct that we are playing the right defense but when it comes to basketball I am pretty familiar with individuals players responsibilities in a zone. Don't know much about the other aspects of the game but do know a little about zone defenses.

I hope you are right because the defense is the key to this season.

:shake:
 
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I love the zone we run, and the numbers speak for themselves, we are second in the country in points allowed per 100 possessions, and we aren't beating teams because we are outscoring them, thats for sure.

Jacksonville did a great job attacking our zone last night and I am scared that other teams are going to see the tape and really understand how to attack us right now. Jacksonville had a lot of 3 guys out top, one high post, one low post and when our backside forward would come up guard the high post they would cut their backside wing down and rotate their top of key guy to the baseline corner and we wouldn't rotate well and leave one of the two of them open. Our bigs, specifically Dallas and BJ, it looks to me like they are still really struggling with understanding who to cover based on where the other team's 5 players are on the court. Thats the thing about the zone, it requires a lot of quick thinking and not as much just playing as man, and DL and BJ are struggling to rotate in the zone sometimes, or are rotating to the wrong player, thats what scares me most about having both of them in the game at the same time. When Lighty is in he really gets the zone and you see him switching sides with DL and BJ all the time because he understands where he needs to be and where the big guys need to be, I just dont see that understanding out of DL and BJ yet.

That said, I completely agree with 40 that you are going to have lapses in a 40 minute game, we cant play perfect D every time down the court but more often than not teams are taking bad shots against us and not getting great looks. Also last night was I think the first time this season we didnt force a shot clock violation.

Madsen got some quality minutes, and he plays a very Twig-like game with his good high ball screens, but he isn't the perimeter shooting threat that Twig was and I dont like not having either DL or BJ in, we have 0 offensive post presence when Madsen is in.

Lighty had a great first half and a good game overall, when he gets involved early he stays involved but he isnt quick enough with the ball to be a true slasher and his jumper hasnt been that consistent yet this year, I agree with JO that he needs to get his points in transition, outside of offensive sets, at least early to give him confidence.

Diebs- you know I love him, he plays so smart and he seems to be the only one who looks to feed the post consistently. Threw one really lazy pass out top that they took back for a steal and dunk but for the most part he had a solid game. If he can continue to shoot 40% from three, with the threes he is taking, we will be golden, cause he isn't shooting a lot of wide open spot up threes, teams respect his shooting ability and he is shooting 40% from 3 curling off screens and those are really tough shots but they are backbreakers when you hit them cause at times you really cant defend it any better, and he is still hitting, can really break their spirit.

Lastly, DL, he struggled some last night for sure, and he isn't going to block 4 shots a game every game, especially against smaller teams who arent going to try to just post up on him, he needs to be in better position on defense and not try to rely so much on his shot block as his only defense. But his free throws are looking much much better, I am continually impressed with how much he has improved so many facets of his game.
 
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generaladm;1358101; said:
Apart from the ticky-tack foul fest of the second half,

Brutal. Just brutal. At one point, after a defensive rebound by Lighty off of a missed free throw, a JU player was whistled for a foul and the crowd actually booed the refs for a call that went in OSU's favor.

Some of them wer ejust garbage. The "foul" that sent to Diebler to the line, I did not see (from the top row) any contact at all. None. The strip of Lauderdale that was called a foul looked pretty damn clean, too. I mean, it has to be pretty bad if I'm complaining about the officials calling fouls in OSU's favor. It was a dreadful stretch to watch. It seemed like every possession for both teams ended in a foul call.


jo4h said:
did crater look out of shape to anyone else? he played about 3 mins and lost his energy. conditioning issue id guess. jsu realized they could pressure simmons and create turnover. trust me that if they catch on izzo, painter and company will catch on, keep in mind you have to play most b10 teams twice. theyll have us scouted up ten times better than anyone in the preseason.

He was very, very slow moving his feet on defense. I was begging him to get moving, especially when the game was being called so close. A couple ugly, lazy passes too, including the pass to Diebler via a rebound off of an official a good 5 feet from Diebs. (I think Crater threw that...).

Lauderdale had stretches that were really bad. He almost looked disinterested in the game. No effort on a couple boards early in the game, slooooow rotations on defense. Some guys, I think they get disinterested in defense and rebounding when they aren't scoring. With Dallas, it almost seemed like he lost his energy because he wasn't swatting shots into the seats. Not his best performance.
 
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from the television set, it appeared to me at one point, Thad looked over to JU's coach and almost shrugged in an apologetic way as they got called for another foul.

After the Butler game I didn't think officials could be any more petty with the whistles and then the JU game happened. I hope Big 10 play isn't called this tight. Last night became almost unwatchable as the whistle was blown every 15-20 seconds. Let them play.
 
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All you guys have good points that you made. I noticed that we didn't try to get the ball into the big guys enough and where did those refs learn ? Must have been at a SEC training center.
We need to shore up the pg position too. But I thought we played a pretty good game overall.
Deibs is getting his act together in a big way
 
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The Dolphins are now 8-1 in the Atlantic Sun, and tied for first in the conference.

Lipscomb is 2-6 in that conference. They won at Indiana, 74-69.
 
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