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Ohio State 68, Columbia 54 (Final)

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diebler played the one, watch the offense, it cycles once then hes at the top of the key. the offense is then set in motion. that would mean dieblers at the one. this moves butler off the ball and frees him up to score, and allows him a tad of rest for the defensive end of the floor.


its not and will not become a diebler/turner thing. different types of players will be advantageous to this team down the stretch. keep in mind cooks role last year against memphis, if he does not come in a play a huge role as a stopper then that team doesnt make the final four. if lewis doesnt go off, no final four. if lighty doesnt come in and play great defense and contribute on the offensive end of the floor its no final four. basketball is a game of matchups.

i dont see how you can blame or credit any kid at this point. id be willing to venture a guess that the staff at this point would not give any player a winning grade, everyone has room for improvements and things they need to work on. and in my view thats a great thing. ps maybe the male dancer on the buckeye dance force would grade out...
 
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PennBuckFan;996553; said:
so what 95% would they disagree with. The facts that he guarded findlay's power forward, the fact osu played man in the first 2 exhibitions, the fact he leads the team in turnovers, teh fact ET has more assists than him, the fact that he shot 35% from 3 last year? So where is the 95% other than theyd never admit they cant play man with Diebler out there, if OSU cant play man UT will put over 100 up on them.
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I was hitting on the main points, with your opinions about Diebler not being able to play man, he can't move lateral, he can't shoot better than 35%...Keep in mind those were exhibitions you are talking about...They are going to stick to the zone, for porbably the rest of the season, and that is to protect Hunter and KK from being on perimeter and they like our length on the wing...

Then you said Twig is better than Diebler on offense...I think you might be the only person around here that believes that...Twig has improved and seems to have the senior confidence, but he is not in Diebler's league in terms of offensive skill...

Like I have said there is no reason to compare Turner and Diebler, they are both young, they both have things to work on, and they are both going to play...The staff obviously believes that Diebler needs to be in the starting lineup and doesnt agree with you...
 
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crazybuckfan40;996739; said:
I was hitting on the main points, with your opinions about Diebler not being able to play man, he can't move lateral, he can't shoot better than 35%...Keep in mind those were exhibitions you are talking about...They are going to stick to the zone, for porbably the rest of the season, and that is to protect Hunter and KK from being on perimeter and they like our length on the wing...

Then you said Twig is better than Diebler on offense...I think you might be the only person around here that believes that...Twig has improved and seems to have the senior confidence, but he is not in Diebler's league in terms of offensive skill...

Like I have said there is no reason to compare Turner and Diebler, they are both young, they both have things to work on, and they are both going to play...The staff obviously believes that Diebler needs to be in the starting lineup and doesnt agree with you...
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The staff believed David Lighty last year at this point should be in the starting lineup. It also felt Daequan Cook should be in the starting lineup against Minnesota last year. Forget things people did in high school. Why was Diebler guarding Bostic against Findlay and Hunter was guarding Findlay's 3. People on here have said things like he has impressed them the most...Theres no Turner or any debate there, Diebler has produced less in the minutes he's been given than anyone else on the team, thats looking at stats, shooting percentage, points, assists, rebounds...what else is there to look at. The point stuff is kind of laughable since he hasnt penetrated once this year from the top of the key and I guess if holding the ball at the top of the key once every 5 possessions is considered play point then Hunter and KK play point too.

There is no debating players. All of the people who are obsessed with Diebler's high school stats think that if you mention his stats you are bashing him or have a personal problem with him. He hasnt produced, he got less minutes than Turner last game and I dont see him starting that much longer this season. Also, if his bball IQ is so high, why does he lead the team in turnovers, why does he average the least amount of rebounds per minute and why are his assists less than any other guard gettin gplaying time...that wouldnt seem to make sense. I guess theres a Diebler conspiracy. I dont care what someone did in high school, right now Twig is shooting the ball better than Diebler...what offensive skill are you talking about? Twig dominated in high school too, so did Fuss-Cheatham, so did almost everyone who ever played for OSU.
 
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PennBuckFan;996852; said:
The staff believed David Lighty last year at this point should be in the starting lineup. It also felt Daequan Cook should be in the starting lineup against Minnesota last year. Forget things people did in high school. Why was Diebler guarding Bostic against Findlay and Hunter was guarding Findlay's 3. People on here have said things like he has impressed them the most...Theres no Turner or any debate there, Diebler has produced less in the minutes he's been given than anyone else on the team, thats looking at stats, shooting percentage, points, assists, rebounds...what else is there to look at. The point stuff is kind of laughable since he hasnt penetrated once this year from the top of the key and I guess if holding the ball at the top of the key once every 5 possessions is considered play point then Hunter and KK play point too.

There is no debating players. All of the people who are obsessed with Diebler's high school stats think that if you mention his stats you are bashing him or have a personal problem with him. He hasnt produced, he got less minutes than Turner last game and I dont see him starting that much longer this season. Also, if his bball IQ is so high, why does he lead the team in turnovers, why does he average the least amount of rebounds per minute and why are his assists less than any other guard gettin gplaying time...that wouldnt seem to make sense. I guess theres a Diebler conspiracy. I dont care what someone did in high school, right now Twig is shooting the ball better than Diebler...what offensive skill are you talking about? Twig dominated in high school too, so did Fuss-Cheatham, so did almost everyone who ever played for OSU.
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I really don't know what to say regarding all of your knowledgeable posts perhaps someone else was more basketball knowledge can help you because you really do need help:confused:
 
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LitlBuck;998128; said:
I really don't know what to say regarding all of your knowledgeable posts perhaps someone else was more basketball knowledge can help you because you really do need help:confused:
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yeah you need consensus on a message board to help you disagree with factual statistics... I feel ya. Get enough people on a message board to say he isnt leading the team in turnovers and it will become fact.
 
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PennBuckFan;996852; said:
The staff believed David Lighty last year at this point should be in the starting lineup.It also felt Daequan Cook should be in the starting lineup against Minnesota last year.
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I think you are missing my point...My point is that the staff feels that Diebler should be the starter, and that is not just for one game or two or 3...It is going to be for the whole season...Well of course if he continues to struggle like he is now they will probably take him out of the starting lineup or cut his minutes, but like JO has pointed out, and like we all believe this kid is a basketball player, he understands the game...The only thing at this point he is struggling to knock down his shots...

Forget things people did in high school. Why was Diebler guarding Bostic against Findlay and Hunter was guarding Findlay's 3. People on here have said things like he has impressed them the most...Theres no Turner or any debate there, Diebler has produced less in the minutes he's been given than anyone else on the team, thats looking at stats, shooting percentage, points, assists, rebounds...what else is there to look at.
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Well of course people are going to think about high school in terms of knowing what he can do in terms of shooting the ball, and the way he can play the game...I am not saying that Diebler should only start because he was good in high school...What I am saying is that while Diebler has struggled, I think that he will be ok because I know that he can shoot, I know he knows the game...Also I know that the staff has confidence in him...And who cares about stats after 2 games into the season...

The point stuff is kind of laughable since he hasnt penetrated once this year from the top of the key and I guess if holding the ball at the top of the key once every 5 possessions is considered play point then Hunter and KK play point too.
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Not sure why it is laughable...Especially considering who it is coming from...Most on here would love to know as much about basketball as much as JO...When he says something most listen...

There is no debating players. All of the people who are obsessed with Diebler's high school stats think that if you mention his stats you are bashing him or have a personal problem with him. He hasnt produced, he got less minutes than Turner last game and I dont see him starting that much longer this season. Also, if his bball IQ is so high, why does he lead the team in turnovers, why does he average the least amount of rebounds per minute and why are his assists less than any other guard gettin gplaying time...that wouldnt seem to make sense. I guess theres a Diebler conspiracy. I dont care what someone did in high school, right now Twig is shooting the ball better than Diebler...what offensive skill are you talking about? Twig dominated in high school too, so did Fuss-Cheatham, so did almost everyone who ever played for OSU.
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You are taking things way out of context...We don't think he should start because he put up good numbers in high school...

If you want Twig to start at the 2g then that is just crazy...Diebler has 2 bad games shooting the ball and you are ready to throw him to the wolves...I mean give the kid a break...like I said the staff would not agree with 95% of the stuff you are saying, not talking about stats, because stats don't matter a whole lot after 2 games, especially when we are talking about a frosh 2 games into his career...

Nice to have you here and love more guys on here to talk basketball with, just some of the things you are saying seem pretty rash...
 
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crazybuckfan40;999866; said:
I think you are missing my point...My point is that the staff feels that Diebler should be the starter
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And who cares about stats after 2 games into the season...
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Most on here would love to know as much about basketball as much as JO...When he says something most listen...
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I'm with you on everything you posted cbf40, but these 3 points stick out the most to me as what bear repeating.
 
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crazybuckfan40;999866; said:
I think you are missing my point...My point is that the staff feels that Diebler should be the starter, and that is not just for one game or two or 3...It is going to be for the whole season...Well of course if he continues to struggle like he is now they will probably take him out of the starting lineup or cut his minutes, but like JO has pointed out, and like we all believe this kid is a basketball player, he understands the game...The only thing at this point he is struggling to knock down his shots...



Well of course people are going to think about high school in terms of knowing what he can do in terms of shooting the ball, and the way he can play the game...I am not saying that Diebler should only start because he was good in high school...What I am saying is that while Diebler has struggled, I think that he will be ok because I know that he can shoot, I know he knows the game...Also I know that the staff has confidence in him...And who cares about stats after 2 games into the season...



Not sure why it is laughable...Especially considering who it is coming from...Most on here would love to know as much about basketball as much as JO...When he says something most listen...



You are taking things way out of context...We don't think he should start because he put up good numbers in high school...

If you want Twig to start at the 2g then that is just crazy...Diebler has 2 bad games shooting the ball and you are ready to throw him to the wolves...I mean give the kid a break...like I said the staff would not agree with 95% of the stuff you are saying, not talking about stats, because stats don't matter a whole lot after 2 games, especially when we are talking about a frosh 2 games into his career...

Nice to have you here and love more guys on here to talk basketball with, just some of the things you are saying seem pretty rash...
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First of all, I dont care who someone is, if they think Diebler is playing pointguard they are clueless when it comes to basketball. I will humor the notion for one moment though. If Diebler is playing the point, then what kind of point guard is he? He has yet to drive from the top of the key, he leads the team in turnovers and he is trailing the second string small forward in assists. So what kind of point guard has he been? Thats not the type of point guard I want...one who doesnt drive, doesnt score and has just as many turnovers as assists.

Diebler starting the first two games mean nothing when his playing time was cut significantly from the first to the second and I bet the same thing happens again in the third. He would have had even less minutes last game if Othello Hunter hadnt gotten cramps. Again, Lighty started the season at the 4 last year and by the big 10 season was playing less than 10 minutes a game and I think Matta wanted Diebler to get time to assess what he had and I think it is pretty evident right now.

I dont get the basketball IQ thing. He played in a system that doesnt translate into big 10 basketball. I'll take ET who played for a legendary high school coach and on a very good AAU team, over a kid who played for Keith Diebler and played center in a zone defense. Again, what does Diebler bring to the table that Wallace or Turner dont? Better high school numbers? Even if he gets his shot down, its still not enough. OSU has plenty of guys who will stand around at the perimeter and chuck 3's when open, they need someone out there who can create their own shot and who can drive to the basket.

If you are going to tell me that Matta is committed to Diebler and no matter what is going to play him, I wouldn't dispute it. I think its been clear that Matta has picked in the past to give minutes to his favorite players over the best players...why was Cook getting under 20 minutes a game at the beginning of last season despite leading the team in points, shooting percentage and rebounds...who knows. However, I hope Matta sees what everyone outside of Ohio sees and that is that Diebler isnt ready for college basketball.
 
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First of all, I dont care who someone is, if they think Diebler is playing pointguard they are clueless when it comes to basketball. I will humor the notion for one moment though. If Diebler is playing the point, then what kind of point guard is he? He has yet to drive from the top of the key, he leads the team in turnovers and he is trailing the second string small forward in assists. So what kind of point guard has he been? Thats not the type of point guard I want...one who doesnt drive, doesnt score and has just as many turnovers as assists.
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Obviously you are not a fan of the Diebler family but that should not distort your basketball mind because Jon now is a Buckeye.:osu:
 
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PennBuckFan;1000429; said:
However, I hope Matta sees what everyone outside of Ohio sees and that is that Diebler isnt ready for college basketball.
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There is a fine line between criticism and bashing. It would be my opinion that you are treading rather close to said line at this point.
 
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I have said my peace, and will move on...We understand that you have a vendetta of some sort against Diebler...Just try not to make it so obvious...

But the one thing I want to hit on is Matta playing his favorites...That is why he wasnt playing Cook...

You do remember a guy named Ron Lewis right?
 
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crazybuckfan40;1000452; said:
I have said my peace, and will move on...We understand that you have a vendetta of some sort against Diebler...Just try not to make it so obvious...

But the one thing I want to hit on is Matta playing his favorites...That is why he wasnt playing Cook...

You do remember a guy named Ron Lewis right?
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Cook could have played over Butler, Lewis or Lighty at the beginning of the season last year and his numbers were better than all 3, yet they all got to start.

Again, how are facts bashing. He's currently shooting 10% from the field, 13% from 3 pt, leading the team in turnovers, averaging 1 rebound every 10 minutes of play, 1 assist per 10 minutes and has 1 steal in 46 minutes. I wouldnt even be talking about him if it werent for lines like "the one player who really has impressed me is Jon Diebler" or "Did you see Jon getting big minutes playing point guard?" Just go back and look at peoples posts before the season, theres no vendetta here, there is just no bias either. Talk to a fan of another team who watched either of the first two games and see what they say about him, if they remember him being out there.

You can say, "its only two games it doesnt matter." How much improvement can someone make during the season? We all talk about Conley improving, but his first 10 games and his last ten games had pretty similar numbers...he improved to the point where he made top tier teams look like DII schools. If Jon Diebler is struggling against DII and Ivy league teams why do people think he will do better against Indiana, Florida, Tennessee , MSU or UNC? Who is he going to guard against UT, because Lofton will just run to his point in the zone. I have no posts on this board, no dog in the fight, no predictions to back up, im just saying what I see and what I see is a guy who will mostly struggle this year.
 
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