Polar opposite of Nave and Satterfield from the '24 class. I hope Cook earns an offer from the good guys
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Btw, Birm mentioned that this offer went out on Saturday and he waited to post officially. I think he was on his Louisville visit
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calibuck
Too soon old, too late smart
It's been said and repeated that the hardest position to guage for the future is the OL players. Guess it's easy to take a 5* that all that needs to be done is polish the fenders, rather than rebuild from ground up. Thing I notice is that most (if not all) have the requisite size (both height and weight), and am certain that coaches watch tons of film to see how the feet move, push out from stance, pass pro, etc. We watch and see schools like Wisconsin, Iowa, and ? take these 3* kids and develop them into beasts, and first round NFL choices. How come tOSU doesn't/can't do the same? Looking at the OL room, see many players that are good, but not great (at least not yet). Really don't have an opinion on this (well, I really do, but...) would like to hear more learned opinions of why this is. One thing I do notice is that the OL guys of today have sculpted their bodies far better than yesteryear, when bellies flopped over. Today's OL guys wear their 280-320 lbs much better.
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I've seen the comparison in philosophies so many times over the years. And my answer is usually the same and its formed into another question: would you rather OSU be Iowa and Wisconsin or Alabama and Georgia? 1 group is happy with getting to conference championships and occasionally winning 1, and then playing in a meaningless 2nd or 3rd tier bowl game, with their ceiling being a NY6 bowl/a low seed in the CFP. While the other group is competing for NCs yearly, and their fan base would riot if they fell into the 1st group for more than 1 year. Schools like Wisky and Iowa take 3star or lower OL and take YEARS to mold them. There are fans who want Frye fired right now, and he's barely been at OSU for 3yrs! These teams' fanbases are fine with being competitive every few years.
Elite teams like OSU, Bama and UGA expect to bring in the best talent at every position, but definitely OL. And just because a OL is a 5star doesn't mean that he doesn't need work in college. Some will need more than others. But for every Paris Johnson, there's an Isiah Prince, there's a Wyatt Davis but also a Michael Brewster. Heck Donovan Jackson was one of the highest ranked IOL in years, yet he has had an up and down career. and is entering his 4th year, when most(if not all) assumed he'd be 3 and done. Each kid is different, but OL recruiting is so freaking difficult because most don't go up against many large DL in HS. I remember watching Jackson Carman just manhandle DL in Cincinnati, but those same DL were also being outweighed by as much as 100lbs, so they had no physical chance. You don't know how a kid like that will react when he faces a player just as big, and even faster in college. They either work and get better, or shrink and disappear. I can't imagine how Deonte Armstrong and Ian Moore felt going up against JT or Sawyer for the first time and not being close to the strongest person in the rep.
Sorry for the long post, but I think a combination of both can see the best success. And it seems like Frye is doing that in 2025 on a bigger scale. But trying to use the Iowa/Wisconsin, etc model on a team like OSU would set the team back years and eventually the program would fall to the levels of those programs. Now I ask you, are you happy with the first group or the second? Because I for one love being the hunted, and in the top tier of programs. It causes stress each cycle recruiting players from other regions, but in the long run I know OSU can keep up with any team in America
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calibuck
Too soon old, too late smart
Understand, and share your passion. Believe you proved my point with Paris, Isiah, Wyatt and Brewster. No one really knows how their HS game will translate to the collegiate level. Most everyone's goal is to get drafted (highly) by the NFL, and along with that are a couple of things, which is college exposure, and position training. HS training is hit and miss, but playing a big-league schedule puts good competition against you. You are correct, that an OL can look studly against a 175 lb Dl, and wipe the field with him. But when they come in same weight, and slavering at the mouth, could mean a different thing. Believe we said (nearly) the same thing, just came at it from different angles. I do harken back to last year, when Day said (paraphrased by me), that 'we don't have anyone that can come in and replace our starters' or somesuch. To me that speaks of the position coaches working with the kids to make them better. And of course, there are innumerable instances of a Buckeye 3* being taken in first round of the draft (and probably as many 5*s that weren't). Totally agree that tOSU's OL has gotta get better, if they're going against the DL on a daily basis. Just wonder if it's unleashed, or controlled scrimages. Probably someone on the spot could tell me. Anyway, I bleed S&G much like you, and many of the contributors to this site, so Go Bucks!
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