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O Line or Braxton?

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It's not the o-lines fault when the other guy brings the house on every play and your only answer is to throw deep. It's not the o line's fault when the only running plays called were wide, this after being SHOWN the week before that this group can run between the tackles much better than wide.
 
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cincibuck said:
It's not the o-lines fault when the other guy brings the house on every play and your only answer is to throw deep. It's not the o line's fault when the only running plays called were wide, this after being SHOWN the week before that this group can run between the tackles much better than wide.
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Actually it is. You have to be able to execute. They struggle. Could some other things be dialed up? Sure, but we have a very serious oline issue that is far worse than coaching issues. We sure didn't struggle to score with better oline play in previous years.
 
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cincibuck said:
It's not the o-lines fault when the other guy brings the house on every play and your only answer is to throw deep. It's not the o line's fault when the only running plays called were wide, this after being SHOWN the week before that this group can run between the tackles much better than wide.
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They brought the house quite often, that is true. But even when they didn't, they were getting pressure because the line, the middle of it in particular, was getting utterly manhandled. There were a few plays where Billy Price was immediately knocked backwards onto his keister. Not everything was the o-line's fault, but plenty of it was.
 
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Dryden said:
Could have used some of these guys last night.

Always a bucket of cold water to the face to realize that "reload" doesn't mean OSU is going to replace four or five NFL starters by Week 2 of the college season. Most of these guys (Roby, Hyde, Mewhort, Linsley) didn't become grown-ass men until their Junior seasons. Not replacing that with redshirt freshmen.
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You factor in Miller, Shazier, Basil, and Schutt (2 game suspension) and to some extent Brown and Fields too; and quickly realize that Ohio State lost a "ton of talent" from last year's team. It's not just Miller and the O-line here.
 
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Houston, I think we still have a problem. Sparty could make things ugly. I still think this OL unit has improved since VaTech, but I don't think the talent level along this line is ever going to allow it to be what it needs to be for us to hang with teams featuring NFL caliber linemen. I hope I'm wrong.
 
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sepia5 said:
Houston, I think we still have a problem. Sparty could make things ugly. I still think this OL unit has improved since VaTech, but I don't think the talent level along this line is ever going to allow it to be what it needs to be for us to hang with teams featuring NFL caliber linemen. I hope I'm wrong.
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I think we're looking at one more loss this season. At this point, I don't want to see our line against a national championship caliber defense. Though it probably didn't help that we went into half time feeling so comfortable, looked like they just weren't trying in the second half. Attempt to make the first block and then stop is something I noticed a few times. The line made the block and thought they were done, but then when no receivers were open and JT had to run it, they had already given up on the play and JT couldn't get more than a few yards. I think them playing through the whistle in the second half consistently would have led to a TD and no OT. All-in-all, the whole offense slowed down and left JT out to dry, starting with the line.
 
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The only issues I see are blitz pickups and switching. They are gashing the hell out of people in the run game and typical pass blocking is decent. The problem is not checking out of plays where we are overmatched and into plays where we can make quicker reads. Part of that is on Herman, the other part on JT. I'm ok with how they are playing for the most part.
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
The only issues I see are blitz pickups and switching. They are gashing the hell out of people in the run game and typical pass blocking is decent. The problem is not checking out of plays where we are overmatched and into plays where we can make quicker reads. Part of that is on Herman, the other part on JT. I'm ok with how they are playing for the most part.
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I could be wrong, but my impression has been that he's made those calls in recent games. However, in the 1st half the crowd was really effective at taking that away.
JT has kinda pushed the playcock all season making adjustments and assigning pass pro... Urban was forced to call timeouts today when he tried that. I think that's what led to Herman just running between the tackles and read-option for the rest of the half... and in turn JT got banged up.
After the interception to start the 2nd half, the crowd was back in it... pretty soon JT was physically beat up and mentally rattled... and the offense went downhill fast. With us reverting to Wildcat and Cardale at times, trying to lessen the physical load on him... but we apparently only have like 2 plays from Wildcat and Cardale got stuffied... so... back to a gimpy JT until over time.
 
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Tonight is an outlier but from what I can tell, the noise dictated much of it. But even still, the 2013 OL would have put this game out of reach early...right now, Warriner is doing the best job of polishing a turd that anyone could (I wish I could come up with a better analogy but I cannot). No effort problem with our guys now but (to state the obvious) Mewhort, Norwell, Linsley, and Hall are not replaceable in one single season...ask the NFL starting rosters. My honest opinion at this point is that JT is doing well despite the OL...
 
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Our OL right now is very good, but not dominant against excellent defenses. We've faced two of those this season so far, with another to come in a couple of weeks. Were we to make the playoffs, we'd face either one or two more. It's very good, but probably all-in-all the weakest spot of our team, which isn't surprising given its youth, inexperience and lack of highly ranked recruits to that position.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
I think we're looking at one more loss this season. At this point, I don't want to see our line against a national championship caliber defense. Though it probably didn't help that we went into half time feeling so comfortable, looked like they just weren't trying in the second half. Attempt to make the first block and then stop is something I noticed a few times. The line made the block and thought they were done, but then when no receivers were open and JT had to run it, they had already given up on the play and JT couldn't get more than a few yards. I think them playing through the whistle in the second half consistently would have led to a TD and no OT. All-in-all, the whole offense slowed down and left JT out to dry, starting with the line.
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I agree my guess a lose to sparty looks likely we'll see what happens
 
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