North Carolina Tar Heels (official thread)

[muffler dragon]

Not forwarding emails or being forthright about it: 5 years show cause.

Being an agent with a history of recruiting issues at other institutions: 3 years show cause.

Scandal involving money/boosters = over $300K returned, wins vacated, public humiliation, 9 schollys over 3 years

Scandal involving academic fraud = $50K fine, wins vacated, 15 schollys over 3 years.

Yup.

And I just read in ubet's link that the tutor wasn't even assisting in the matter. Thus, you have one stone-walling and it's still limited in what exactly came down. IF I'm going to compare between UNC and tOSU (as is done in the article); THEN I'm pissed. But I'm trying to stay off that emotion.

 

[Zippercat]

And I just read in ubet's link that the tutor wasn't even assisting in the matter. Thus, you have one stone-walling and it's still limited in what exactly came down. IF I'm going to compare between UNC and tOSU (as is done in the article); THEN I'm pissed. But I'm trying to stay off that emotion.

Couple distinctions:

) UNC Head Coach allegedly did not know the evil deeds were being done.

) UNC was not already on probation.

) NCAA was not pissed off for having taken flack for letting certain players play in a bowl game, then having a Paul Harvey "and now the rest of the story" moment a couple months later.

) After UNC's deeds hit the fan they did not, as best we know now, have more alleged violations (about travel money for unapproved charity event and summer jobs) occur in the middle of the investigation.

I'm not saying I agree that OSU and Tress "deserved" to be slapped harder; just pointing out that there were some additional issues on hand that UNC did not have.

 

[dragurd]

OSU wasn't on probation. They were just within the repeat offender window.

Also it would be better off for everyone if we stop treating the NCAA like a court of law with set punishments. They act far more like a dictatorship that varies severity on punishments on whims and react far more to public perception then actual infractions. When the media crows that they are going to soft on a school they puff out their feathers and feign being tough. When n one cares they go back to their flights of fancy.

 

[matcar]

This program had a hard time being relevant before this. Ouch.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I see no need for the wadding of the panties to begin here. Both programs were hit with FTM, a one year bowl ban and some scholarship reductions over three years. Some things were worse at UNC while some aspects were worse in the Ohio State situation.

I'm much more disgusted at the likelihood that Phil Kn...err Oregon is going to get off Scot free.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

I see no need for the wadding of the panties to begin here. Both programs were hit with FTM, a one year bowl ban and some scholarship reductions over three years. Some things were worse at UNC while some aspects were worse in the Ohio State situation.

I'm much more disgusted at the likelihood that Phil Kn...err Oregon is going to get off Scot free.

ewwww, that's gross.

 

[sammyjenkis]

ewwww, that's gross.

Not that there's anything wrong with it...

 

[BB73]

CFN

May 9 - UNC football players enrolled in suspect classes

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) - Football players at North Carolina made up more than a third of enrollments in suspect classes within a department the school investigated for academic fraud.

The school said Tuesday football players represented 246 of 686 enrollments (36 percent) in the 54 courses within the Department of African and Afro-American Studies between summer 2007 and summer 2011. Those classes lacked appropriate supervision and were called ``aberrant'' or were ``taught irregularly'' with limited contact between instructors and students, according to a university report released Friday.

Men's basketball players represented 23 enrollments, roughly 3 percent, during that span.

The school's investigation found fraud and poor oversight, including unauthorized grade changes and reports of grade rolls with what appear to be forged faculty signatures. The report found no evidence of favorable treatment for student-athletes or grades awarded without written work.

The News and Observer of Raleigh first reported the athlete enrollment figures Monday.

Cont'd ...

 

[Zurp]

CFN

Lots of schools have "interesting" courses you can take.
http://www.onlinecolleges.net/2009/02/25/the-15-strangest-college-courses-in-america/

 

[Muck]

Lots of schools have "interesting" courses you can take.
http://www.onlinecolleges.net/2009/02/25/the-15-strangest-college-courses-in-america/

Behold my Alma mater & tremble in jealousy!

http://rhetoric.berkeley.edu/courses.php?page_id=1087&p=29 14. Underwater Basket Weaving

University of California, San Diego

The course that is used interchangeably with ?waste of time college class,? but surprisingly it actually exists, both at UC San Diego and at Reed College in Portland, Oregon. According to Wikipedia anyway. Underwater basket weaving involves making wicker baskets by dipping reeds or stalks of plants into water, and letting them soak. Full body immersion is optional I suppose.

 

[BayBuck]

Greg-guh reminds us that the UNC academic scandal is bigger than most realize, including the NCAA:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...spered-and-now-its-time-for-the-reckoning/rss

See what we have here? We have evidence not only of grades being given to athletes for at least a decade -- but also that UNC academic support staff steered athletes to those classes. This can't be dismissed as the rogue actions of a man named Julius Nyang'oro, the embattled former head of the Department of African and Afro-American Studies. If it was just him, well, that could be explained away to a certain extent. The school would be vulnerable to NCAA sanctions, but one man running amok? That's not horrible.
What actually happened at North Carolina?
This is horrible.
Academic advisers steering athletes to Nyang'oro's department. Athletes staying eligible by getting grades in some classes that didn't even exist. Athletes who played football and men's basketball.

 

[Oh8ch]

Academic advisers steering athletes to Nyang'oro's department. Athletes staying eligible by getting grades in some classes that didn't even exist. Athletes who played football and men's basketball.

Slow down a second. You start talking about basketball and the folks down there are gonna flat wake up.

Just how many conspiracies can the NCAA operate simultaneously?

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

the real question is how Paterno relates to UNC basketball. you know there's a link there somewhere....otherwise why would the NCAA care?

 

[Oh8ch]

the real question is how Paterno relates to UNC basketball. you know there's a link there somewhere....otherwise why would the NCAA care?

TAR Heels

Coal TAR

Pennsylvania

FACTS

EVIDENTS

If you can't see it you aren't trying.

 

[colobuck79]

TAR Heels

Coal TAR

Pennsylvania

FACTS

EVIDENTS

If you can't see it you aren't trying.

This, and the Franco Harris connection. Franco is the biggest Paterno supporter. He is also a democrat party delagate. Where is the democratic national convention this year? That's right, at the Dean Smith arena at UNC. FACT.