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NFL Hall of Fame 2012 class

It's still disgusts me that they just had to get Michael Irvin in before Carter, Brown, and Reed.

Cris Carter was a better receiver than Irvin.....not even very close, either. Irvin had so many weapons on his team that the D had to cover most of them in single coverage.


and don't even get me started on Gradishar.......how they let Jackson in and not Gradishar is criminal. Gradishar was the best linebacker in the NFL for about 5 years.
 
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DaveyBoy;2083931; said:
It's still disgusts me that they just had to get Michael Irvin in before Carter, Brown, and Reed.

Cris Carter was a better receiver than Irvin.....not even very close, either. Irvin had so many weapons on his team that the D had to cover most of them in single coverage.
But did Cris Carter do his thing after leaving a stripper's apartment, hung over, and detoxing from coke withdrawal after two hours sleep?
 
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Everyone better get used to the fact that Cris Carter is going to get fucked under. There are only 44 voters, and there is a small but very poignant minority that absolutely are steadfastly against his induction (this is from reading accounts of those who actually are in the room while the voting is happening). His chances of getting in at all are slim unless at least a couple of those people change their mind, ans as I understand it there is no chance that they will.

It sucks balls, but the combination of that and the voters hating WRs anyway really makes it hard to foresee his induction anytime soon. I hope like hell that something changes, but don't be surprised if Andre Reed and Tim Brown also pass him by on the way in :shake:
 
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Bucklion;2083956; said:
Everyone better get used to the fact that Cris Carter is going to get [censored]ed under. There are only 44 voters, and there is a small but very poignant minority that absolutely are steadfastly against his induction (this is from reading accounts of those who actually are in the room while the voting is happening). His chances of getting in at all are slim unless at least a couple of those people change their mind, ans as I understand it there is no chance that they will.

It sucks balls, but the combination of that and the voters hating WRs anyway really makes it hard to foresee his induction anytime soon. I hope like hell that something changes, but don't be surprised if Andre Reed and Tim Brown also pass him by on the way in :shake:

Can somebody enlighten me why this is so? I can't still be from his days in Philly and his addiction, not with the poster boy (Irvin) for bad behavior in the Hall....
 
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Wingate1217;2083972; said:
Can somebody enlighten me why this is so? I can't still be from his days in Philly and his addiction, not with the poster boy (Irvin) for bad behavior in the Hall....


Although he's a member now with ESPN he was never friendly with the media as a player, and nobody holds a grudge like the media.
 
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Wingate1217;2083972; said:
Can somebody enlighten me why this is so? I can't still be from his days in Philly and his addiction, not with the poster boy (Irvin) for bad behavior in the Hall....

osucollegebuck;2083983; said:
Although he's a member now with ESPN he was never friendly with the media as a player, and nobody holds a grudge like the media.

This is part of it, as it is also the reason that Tags will likely not get in for years, if ever, despite his long reign and the exponential growth of the NFL during that time.

Another part is that the HOF voters detest WRs. Many of them have made it known publicly that they view them as mostly interchangable. For example, if you are a player in the top 15 all-time in passing or rushing yards, you are likely bound for Canton. But right now there are only 4 of the top 15 and 6 of the top 20 WRs in the Hall...some because the stats have piled up more in recent years, but some because those players are never going to get in at all (Henry Ellard, Irving Fryar, Jimmy Smith, etc.)

Another part is that he never really led the league in anything. Yes, he played at the same time as Jerry Rice, but he only led the league in receptions once, TDs 3 times, and never led in receiving yards. I think this argument is crap, but it's part of it.

Finally, they look at his career in Philly not so much as a character thing, but a lack of production thing. He moved to Minnesota, was a product of an explosive offense, and put up some great years. In the minds of the voters, there are 15-20 receivers who could have done that had they played in Minnesota at the time. Again, not arguing this as valid, just stating what it is.
 
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BTW here is an interesting wild card this year in this. Tony Grossi was one of the 44 people to vote until he got shitcanned off the beat last week by the CPD. Now he has been replaced, this year anyway, by Mary Kay Cabot (nice going dumbfuck, your tweet cost you your HOF vote). Grossi was always pretty open about what went on in the HOF room, including the situation with Carter. What he never said, of course, was whether he was in the vocal minority of voters who a) hate WRs, and/or b) hate Carter in particular. So it's unclear where Cabot stands, but there is at least one new voter this year.
 
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New class is: Jack Butler, Dermotti Dawson, Chris DOleman, Cortez Kennedy, Curtis Martin, and WIllie Roaf

Carter made the first cut to 10, but not the second to 5...no WRs made the final cut to 5
 
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Media Biases like the ones that exist are the sole reason why they should not be the ones voting on who gets into the Hall and a panel of former players/coaches/league executives should be doing it.

On the other hand congrats to my dad. He coached Dermontti Dawson as a graduate assistant at the Univ. of Kentucky. Always pretty cool to say you coached an NFL player but even cooler to say you coached a HOFer
 
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