[sarcasm]Oh, gosh no...then they'd be denied their Constitutional right of visibility for the NFL draft[/sarcasm]
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[sarcasm]Oh, gosh no...then they'd be denied their Constitutional right of visibility for the NFL draft[/sarcasm]
Buckinghorse
Will work for bpCash
Interesting if you look at the financial portion.
I get 182.2 for men and 161.1 for women. For a total of 343.3.
Assuming (on the conservative side) that tuition is $15,000 per year that would be $5,149,500 in scolarships per year, or $20,598,000 for 4 years.
That's the cost to the school who uses the entire limit.
Just estimations don't burn me on specifics.
I get 182.2 for men and 161.1 for women. For a total of 343.3.
Assuming (on the conservative side) that tuition is $15,000 per year that would be $5,149,500 in scolarships per year, or $20,598,000 for 4 years.
That's the cost to the school who uses the entire limit.
Just estimations don't burn me on specifics.
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methomps
an imbecility, a stupidity without name
The cost isn't actually to the school. It's to the athletic department. The AD has to pay the school for the athlete's tuition (at least that is how it is at every school that I know).
Not that I disagree with your overall views, but the examples you cite aren't quite the same. It would be like if all the fortune 500 companies got together and agreed to the rules of a governing body and that governing body said they could only hire 500 employees each.MililaniBuckeye said:
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CriticalSteve
All-American
They could have a tiered system by class rank.
Something like this:
Freshman: 20 scholarships
Sophomores: 21 Scholarships
Juniors: 22 Scholarships
Seniors: 23 Scholarships
That would limit all the high schoolers going to certain schools and insure that colleges add walk-ons in later classes to the scholarship list.
Something like this:
Freshman: 20 scholarships
Sophomores: 21 Scholarships
Juniors: 22 Scholarships
Seniors: 23 Scholarships
That would limit all the high schoolers going to certain schools and insure that colleges add walk-ons in later classes to the scholarship list.
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Academic scholarships don't fall under the NCAA, of course. Now, you may be arguing that exact point, that since there are no limits to academic scholarships then why have limits on athletic scholarships. Well, first, the schools themselves wanted the limits to ensure a degree of parity in competition. Second, I don't recall seeing ESPN, ABC, or CBS broadcast the Advanced Calculus Championships. Schools take in revenue and also get a lot of free exposure from their athletic events and thus need to remain competitive, while they take in little to no revenue and get far less exposure from non-athletic events.
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littledawg
Newbie
Football good wrestling bad
I don't care about revenue, I think it is BS that wrestling has less scholarships then starting positions. How would the Thad 5 look if he only had 4.9 scholarships to give out or JT had 21.9?
The scholarship rule and Russ Hellickson have handcuffed the program. 9/11 teams are ranked in the top 25 in the Big Ten. We are 0-7
I don't care about revenue, I think it is BS that wrestling has less scholarships then starting positions. How would the Thad 5 look if he only had 4.9 scholarships to give out or JT had 21.9?
The scholarship rule and Russ Hellickson have handcuffed the program. 9/11 teams are ranked in the top 25 in the Big Ten. We are 0-7
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lvbuckeye
Silver Surfer
exactly. i don't really care about the case, per se; but i am EXTREMEMELY interested in the results, because i want to see the NCAA get taken down a notch or two. the NCAA is a hopeless morass of ridiculous rules and stipulations designed to 'protect amateurism,' while at the same time exploiting those same amateur athletes to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars per year.
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I agree that the NCAA needs to get punked a time or two, but I hope the NCAA wins out on this specific case. I also think the word "exploit" is a bit overboard.
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BuckTwenty
Parties with Pete Johnson's Beard
Jim Tressel is one coach that certainly isn't scared to give a deserving walk-on a shot and/or a scholarship when he's worked hard enough and is good enough to earn it. Nebraska is another school that comes to mind... pre-Callahan, that is (Coach Callahan got rid of their HIGHLY successful walk-on program within the last few years). However, I don't think every big program out there does the same things as The Ohio States and the Nebraskas- offering deserving walk-ons a scholarship. I know for a FACT that there is one southern powerhouse football school that will take a player off of scholarship if the player "isn't performing" to the levels the team would like, thus opening up an extra scholarship for recruiting. That is why you'll see some schools that will take 23+ players EVERY year... and the majority of those schools are southern schools (though I will not mention names). I can see where some players may think that they're getting screwed over if they are better than some of the players that are on scholarship- but can't because the school doesn't offer scholarships to those who walked on. That's like saying that a 4.0 college student can't receive an academic scholarship at that college because their grades weren't good enough in high school. It doesn't make sense.
I am CERTAINLY not disagreeing with ANY of the above posters! I totally agree with all of your points. However, I would not mind seeing a rule set aside for walk-ons only. Each school can give scholarships to 1-3 walk-ons that would not count against their 85 scholarship limit. It would at least give those walk-ons who go to a school without the chance to receive a schollie who wouldn't otherwise be able to receive a scholarship. If done correctly, it should turn into a miniture version of Nebraska's famous walk-on program, where players could graduate into full-fledged members of the 85-man squad after formerly being one of the 1-3 guys on the preferred walk-on program.
Anyways, just an idea. Keep us informed on this one!! Very interesting case! You'd have to think that the NCAA will come out victorious, but the outcome will be interesting, nonetheless. I love seeing the NCAA on its haunches anyways
I am CERTAINLY not disagreeing with ANY of the above posters! I totally agree with all of your points. However, I would not mind seeing a rule set aside for walk-ons only. Each school can give scholarships to 1-3 walk-ons that would not count against their 85 scholarship limit. It would at least give those walk-ons who go to a school without the chance to receive a schollie who wouldn't otherwise be able to receive a scholarship. If done correctly, it should turn into a miniture version of Nebraska's famous walk-on program, where players could graduate into full-fledged members of the 85-man squad after formerly being one of the 1-3 guys on the preferred walk-on program.
Anyways, just an idea. Keep us informed on this one!! Very interesting case! You'd have to think that the NCAA will come out victorious, but the outcome will be interesting, nonetheless. I love seeing the NCAA on its haunches anyways
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If they allowed any extra scholarships (above the 85 limit) for walk-ons, some schools would abuse the rule's intent by promising those spots to guys they are recruiting but don't have a regular schollie for. Such a rule may be well-intended, but it would be difficult to enforce.
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hawaiianbuckeye
Where's YOUR Gold Pants?
That is a GREAT pt and it would obviously be abused. KEEP things the way they are! If you're not offered a scholarship or "handed" something you really want and think you deserve it..FUCKIN WORK FOR IT! PROVE IT!
HAYN
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
Excellent comments HawaiianBuckeye and Mili (and others). This is one issue where an outcome in favor of the NCAA would provide the broadest benefit to all schools.
I do think it is also worth noting that the other rationale for limiting scholarships was this: It fit well into a plan which Athletic Departments might use to disburse the "excess funds" created to scholarships and support for the minor sports.
Whether this has been done in an effective manner is open to debate.
I do think it is also worth noting that the other rationale for limiting scholarships was this: It fit well into a plan which Athletic Departments might use to disburse the "excess funds" created to scholarships and support for the minor sports.
Whether this has been done in an effective manner is open to debate.
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Kueller
Senior
Taking this line of thinking, the best players should naturally want to spread themselves out across all the Div 1-A schools they can. Is it better to be a starter at Miami (OH) or go to OSU and either be so far back on the depth chart you never see the field or get moved to a position you don't want to play? The big schools could stock up on scrubs who don't really have a chance to get to the NFL, but the best players will go where they have the best chance to play.
Just playing devil's advocate.
I don't see a problem with scholarship limits...but I would like to see the NCAA get told it's wrong in court. I'm very torn over the issue.
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