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NCAA - slowly ruining football (rules changes - merged)

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crazybuckfan40 said:
There is a reason why this has to be put in. The replay booth is just not quick enough sometimes, and a player can got to the coach and say I did fumble that ball and the coach tells the qb to just go up to the line in 5 seconds and snap the ball. Then there is no chance for the team to get a replay. Also there have been technical difficulties where the pager system has failed and they were not able to replay.
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I don't buy that stuff for one second. I don't know what's wrong, but I don't see how either of those can possibly be a problem.

First of all, there is a guy in the press box whose only job is to watch the game on TV. Unless he's stepping out for beer & brats, he shouldn't have any problems working his remote control in time.

Second of all, how on Earth can their pager system not work as often as it seems to be occuring. These games are all sponsored by major telecommunications companies - and there are tens of thousands of fans at each of these games, each with their own working cell phone - yet they can't get a signal to stop the game from the press box down to the field?
 
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jwinslow said:
they do not need a coach's challenge.

What they need is to grow some balls and stop the clock when there is a questionable play... after seeing the replay a few times, if it's obvious it was not as questionable, then get the game running again swiftly.
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I agree with this. The college system is much better than the NFL's. The problem with the college system is that they don't stop for reviews often enough. Once they do, they are able to start the game much faster than the NFL's silly hooded-viewing.

I think the fact that the coach has the ability to issue a challenge may make the replay official a little more hesitant to stop the game for a replay, which is exactly the opposite of what's needed to improve the effectiveness of the system.
 
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1. I think most refs do an incredible job, but the speed and openess of today's game makes it very difficult to cover the field.

2. I think the replay has improved the quality of the games in the NFL and in the Big 10.

3. Man, this puts a premium on holding on to your time outs. The OC in the press box better get his call in sooner... or maybe we'll outlaw playcalls from the sidelines and put the game back in the hands of the kid on the field.

4. 1 challenge per game... boy is that chicken shit...

5. If it weren't for the challenge Zipnuts scores on Gonzo's fumble and the Fiesta Bowl becomes a brand new game.
 
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crazybuckfan40 said:
There is a reason why this has to be put in. The replay booth is just not quick enough sometimes, and a player can got to the coach and say I did fumble that ball and the coach tells the qb to just go up to the line in 5 seconds and snap the ball. Then there is no chance for the team to get a replay. Also there have been technical difficulties where the pager system has failed and they were not able to replay.
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i agree i saw a couple of spiked balls on replay calls, teams rushing to the line to burn a down so it couldnt be replayed, just a little shakey to me...
 
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cincibuck said:
1. I think most refs do an incredible job, but the speed and openess of today's game makes it very difficult to cover the field.

2. I think the replay has improved the quality of the games in the NFL and in the Big 10.

3. Man, this puts a premium on holding on to your time outs. The OC in the press box better get his call in sooner... or maybe we'll outlaw playcalls from the sidelines and put the game back in the hands of the kid on the field.

4. 1 challenge per game... boy is that chicken shit...

5. If it weren't for the challenge Zipnuts scores on Gonzo's fumble and the Fiesta Bowl becomes a brand new game.
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Not exactly true. Who is to say the guy just left the call as a fumble even if he thought it was an incomplete pass because he knew the replay would overturn it if it was incomplete? It's pretty clear the refs had no clue what was going on in that play. Is it because they knew they had a safety net called instant replay to fall back on?
 
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The one rule change that seems to have been overlooked, albeit not applying to football, is the approval of the rule for basketball where the guy falling out of bounds can't call timeout to keep possession. Now there's a rule change that's long overdue..
 
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They had the head of officials for the big ten on 1460 and he clarified some things and even added a couple things.

He said:

There is no flag, the coach just simply asks for the the play to review, and if it is not overturned he is charged a timeout. There is no booth on the sidelines, the replay is still up in the booth, so basically it is just an out if the other team trys to get to the line quick and the coach thinks the play should of been reviewed. I honestly think that this is no big deal and is the same thing as a coach calling a timeout to give the replay booth more time.

There were also two more rule changes, which I do not really like either one. They are both to try and speed up the game, but I think there are many more ways that would of smarter, like cutting tv timeouts and the number of times going to tv timeouts. The 2 changes are:

1.) Not exactally clear on this one, not sure if it is after a punt, I think it is but not sure, but is after a change of possession on a turnover, the time will begin to run once both teams are on the field and ready, so say we intercept the ball, and both teams take the field, the clock will start the same time they start the play clock. So if it is in the last minute you are going to have to make sure you are over the ball the second that he blows the ball into play.

2.) The clock will start the second the ball is kicked on a kickoff, not when the returner catches the ball, so on a touchback time will run off the clock, so now, if a team scores with say 3 seconds left and the kicker can kick the ball out of the endzone the game will be over.
 
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methomps said:
Agree, which is why we should just get rid of replay altogether.
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I think Carr calling for the coaches challenge right after the Nebraska game might have influenced the officials a lot. The best way right now, is give the referees the right to stop the clock and call for a replay, as someone mentioned it. I don't agree that we should get rid of it, because the goal is constant and continued improvement of every facet of the game.
 
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crazybuckfan40 said:
The 2 changes are:

1.) Not exactally clear on this one, not sure if it is after a punt, I think it is but not sure, but is after a change of possession on a turnover, the time will begin to run once both teams are on the field and ready, so say we intercept the ball, and both teams take the field, the clock will start the same time they start the play clock. So if it is in the last minute you are going to have to make sure you are over the ball the second that he blows the ball into play.

2.) The clock will start the second the ball is kicked on a kickoff, not when the returner catches the ball, so on a touchback time will run off the clock, so now, if a team scores with say 3 seconds left and the kicker can kick the ball out of the endzone the game will be over.
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yep, that should shave 2 or 3 hours off a game easy. have they considered cutting back on the commercials by chance..? psshhh.. kill 2 commercials and you eliminate more time than both these rule changes combined.
 
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I call it the Les Miles rule.

LA Times

Coaches Upset Over Rule to Speed Up Game

By David Wharton, Times Staff Writer
July 28, 2006

NCAA Rule 3-2-5-e, just one sentence long, ignited a litany of complaints Thursday from coaches attending Pacific 10 Conference football media day at the Sheraton Gateway hotel near LAX.

The new rule states that after changes of possession such as interceptions and kickoffs, the game clock begins as soon as officials mark the ball ready for play. In the past, the clock did not start until the ensuing snap, giving offensive and defensive squads more time to run onto the field.

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This seemingly minor wrinkle was enacted to shorten games by a few minutes. Coaches foresee massive headaches.

"It's the most dramatic, drastic change I've ever seen," Oregon Coach Mike Bellotti said. "Nobody likes it."

In simple terms, those lost few minutes might have cut short UCLA's comeback victories against Stanford and California last season.

"Yeah," UCLA Coach Karl Dorrell said. "We're not for it."

At a morning rules meeting, coaches considered several doomsday scenarios.

If a team is trailing and takes possession in the final seconds, mayhem could ensue as players sprint onto the field while officials mark the ball and scramble out of the way.

If only one or two seconds remain, coaches asked, will offensive squads have time to line up and snap the ball for a Hail Mary or field-goal attempt?

On a lesser note, if the leading team takes possession with less than 25 seconds remaining — the time allotted to snap the ball before a delay-of-game penalty — it could simply wait on the sideline as officials mark the ball and start the clock.

The game could tick down with an empty field.

"I wouldn't send my offense out there," Oregon State Coach Mike Riley said. "No sense in taking a chance."

Asked about this potential scene, Pac-10 Commissioner Tom Hansen said: "Not aesthetically pleasing."

But Hansen does wonder if coaches are overreacting a bit. In more than two decades as commissioner, he has seen them bemoan other changes that proved insignificant.

Yet his reservations about Rule 3-2-5-e prompted him to send a letter asking the NCAA to reconsider. He was told to reapply next season.

Verle Sorgen, the Pac-10 coordinator for football officiating, shrugged and said: "We'll do the best we can."

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USC was picked to win the conference in the annual media poll. The Trojans received 18 first-place votes, California seven, Oregon three and Arizona State one. UCLA was picked to finish fifth. "Been there before," Bruins Coach Karl Dorrell said. UCLA also was picked fifth last year before finishing third and ending the season 10-2 after a victory in the Sun Bowl. Times writers do not participate in voting….

Coach Pete Carroll said freshman receiver Jamere Holland sprained his shoulder during a seven-on-seven workout and would not be able to participate when the Trojans open fall practice on Aug. 3. Carroll said running back Kenny Ashley did not qualify academically….

Carroll reiterated that he thought All-American receiver Dwayne Jarrett would not miss any games if his eligibility is reinstated, as expected, by the NCAA. But Carroll said Jarrett would probably have to pay back some money to Bob Leinart, the father of former quarterback Matt Leinart. Jarrett was declared ineligible last month after the NCAA determined he received an "extra benefit," by paying less than half the rent for a $3,866-a-month apartment he shared with Matt Leinart last season. Bob Leinart has said that his son and Jarrett each paid $650 a month, and that he picked up the difference.



UCLA opens practice Aug. 7 and will use an intramural field for the first two weeks while renovations are completed at Spaulding Field, which is getting a section of synthetic grass and a new drainage system…. The Bruins will wear new-look road uniforms. The old navy blue numbers have been replaced by a lighter shade of blue and will be outlined in gold and navy blue. The shoulder stripes will also be the lighter shade.

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Times staff writers Gary Klein and Lonnie White contributed to this report.
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