NCAA punishes USC - Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Jarrett, Joe McKnight investigation

[OCBucksFan]

Aaah, I was not aware of that Methomps. I see the media trash other schools, like they did OSU over the whole Clarette whine fest, and always wondered why you never see it about USC. Now I know.

 

[methomps]

I think if you want pro USC sentiment - you should go to a pro USC board. Don't forget the audience you are talking too.... I frankly hate USC and always have. Not as much as Notre Dame and not as much as scUM, but they are right up in that next group.
The one thing I don't do is go defend OSU related items on a USC board. Never have, never will.

I'm not asking for pro-SC sentiments.

comparing headlines on a website to the headliner of the most watched sports show in the country is apples and oranges. when they do a complete episode of Outside the Lines about the shit going on at USC, you'll have an argument, but not before.

Already did an OTL. I didn't think it was that good. And again, who is comparing?

 

[23Skidoo]

It's a problem of hyperbole, salience, and selective retention. It's basic psychology that people are more likely to remember information that corresponds with their beliefs, and less likely that they will remember things that do not correspond with their beliefs. People are also more likely to remember things that are more important to them, so a Buckeye fan might remember an OSU article but forget a USC article.

You have to be kidding me. I agreed with most of what else you posted, but this is just ridiculous. If everything is so "out of mind, out of sight" then why is it I remember ESPN highly publicizing other NCAA investigations in hour-long specials? (ie: practically the entire SEC when it comes to rich boosters crossing the line) So much for that theory...

 

[crazybuckfan40]

They actually talked about this on Around the Horn and have talked about it quite a bit...

Hey Methomps question, do you feel that USC is in the wrong here, or do you feel they are clean...

From an outsider looking in, here are things I have come upon, Reggie took lots of things, but Carrol is going to say he wasnt aware of any of it whether that is true or not...Things won't come out till the Federal investigation is over with...

The whole McKnight thing seems like there was some wrong doing, just due to all the conflicting stories and trying to packpedal after they said what they said...Nothing more than a slap on the wrist here...

 

[Steve19]

If this were Ohio State, ESPN would have this on page 1, but since it's USC it's...err, nevermind.

Look, I think Carroll made a mistake. I think he went too far in trying to counteract the record amount of negative recruiting that LSU was using.

But it's a secondary violation. I think barring McKnight from coming would be an overreaction, and I think the mindless connect-the-dots between this and Bush's agent mess is silly.

I think some people who have previously complained that ESPN was blowing things out of proportion are guilty of the same.

Quite the contrary. Methomps, with all due respect, how can you write something like that? That kid did not mis-speak. Carroll is guilty of a violation and he is clearly lying about it in the press. What is he teaching this young man about life?

USC is riddled with violations. There is now not any doubt that Bush and his family took hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes. All of the other crap. At what point does the NCAA take some bloody action?

It is high time that fans of other teams everywhere started writing letters to the NCAA and to the press demanding action. It is high time that USC was given a good looking over by the NCAA. What they find will not be pretty.

 

[methomps]

You have to be kidding me. I agreed with most of what else you posted, but this is just ridiculous. If everything is so "out of mind, out of sight" then why is it I remember ESPN highly publicizing other NCAA investigations in hour-long specials? (ie: practically the entire SEC when it comes to rich boosters crossing the line) So much for that theory...

1. It's a problem of hyperbole, salience, and selective retention. It's basic psychology that people are more likely to remember information that corresponds with their beliefs, and less likely that they will remember things that do not correspond with their beliefs. People are also more likely to remember things that are more important to them, so a Buckeye fan might remember an OSU article but forget a USC article.
2. Do you hold a belief that ESPN ignores wrongdoings in the SEC?

They actually talked about this on Around the Horn and have talked about it quite a bit...

Hey Methomps question, do you feel that USC is in the wrong here, or do you feel they are clean...

From an outsider looking in, here are things I have come upon, Reggie took lots of things, but Carrol is going to say he wasnt aware of any of it whether that is true or not...Things won't come out till the Federal investigation is over with...

The whole McKnight thing seems like there was some wrong doing, just due to all the conflicting stories and trying to packpedal after they said what they said...Nothing more than a slap on the wrist here...

Involvement: I don't believe SC was involved in the Bush scandal.

Knowledge: I've seen no credible evidence that they knew about it, but I don't know either way.

 

[Steve19]

It's a problem of hyperbole, salience, and selective retention. It's basic psychology that people are more likely to remember information that corresponds with their beliefs, and less likely that they will remember things that do not correspond with their beliefs. People are also more likely to remember things that are more important to them, so a Buckeye fan might remember an OSU article but forget a USC article.

Againk, quite the contrary. I remember very clearly today that ESPN is touting Carroll as the top coach in football because of his recruiting and record. I remember quite clearly that they were dragging Jim Tressel and Andy Geiger through the mud and calling them all manner of names despite the fact that they KNEW the allegations were untrue.

There has not been an open investigation of USC. When a tape is to be admitted into court such as the one that is, then there cannot have been a proper investigation into the allegations against Bush.

It is rotten, methomps, just rotten and I have lost all respect for USC.

 

[methomps]

Quite the contrary. Methomps, with all due respect, how can you write something like that? That kid did not mis-speak. Carroll is guilty of a violation and he is clearly lying about it in the press. What is he teaching this young man about life?

Write something like what? I never said the kid misspoke. I said I thought it was a violation.

USC is riddled with violations. There is now not any doubt that Bush and his family took hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes. All of the other crap.

took bribes....from agents.

At what point does the NCAA take some bloody action?

It is high time that fans of other teams everywhere started writing letters to the NCAA and to the press demanding action. It is high time that USC was given a good looking over by the NCAA. What they find will not be pretty.

I am just going to hope that you posted this after seeing my initial post and before reading the rest of the thread.

 

[OCBucksFan]

1. It's a problem of hyperbole, salience, and selective retention. It's basic psychology that people are more likely to remember information that corresponds with their beliefs, and less likely that they will remember things that do not correspond with their beliefs. People are also more likely to remember things that are more important to them, so a Buckeye fan might remember an OSU article but forget a USC article.

Well I wanted to comment on this, I live semi-close to LA, and thus anything and everything that is USC/UCLA is in the Times, Register, etc... So I would remember more about something happening at USC than a lot of OSU stuff due to where I am at. Hence I have pointed out where on stations like AM 570 they are basically acting like Bush's family went behind his back and screwed him, and where the papers have been almost as homer.

But after what you said earlier I have gotten a little more understanding, but here the media hasn't really made anything out of it.

 

[23Skidoo]

1. It's a problem of hyperbole, salience, and selective retention. It's basic psychology that people are more likely to remember information that corresponds with their beliefs, and less likely that they will remember things that do not correspond with their beliefs. People are also more likely to remember things that are more important to them, so a Buckeye fan might remember an OSU article but forget a USC article.

My point was that your point was hyperbole. Believing that selective retention constitutes why tOSU fans are disgruntled with ESPN's handling of the Clarett issue in comparison with this fiasco is perhaps selective retention and hyperbole on your part.
I clearly demonstrated that I, an Ohio State fan, remember watching an hour-long ESPN special (Outside the Lines, if I remember correctly) on SEC violations -- which aired maybe 9 months to a year ago.
Like lvbuckeye pointed out, when ESPN does an Outside the Lines special on Bushgate you will have a point.

2. Do you hold a belief that ESPN ignores wrongdoings in the SEC?

I can't tell if you're trying to pull a strawman here or something else. I don't think ESPN "ignores" anything, nor did I state or mean to imply any such thing. They simply choose to emphasize different things. After all, it was ESPN who interviewed Bush on national tv within a week after Yahoo!released the original story and have discussed the Heisman angle several times as well. They're definitely not ignoring it.
But that was never my point, nor bitch, to begin with. Merely that your argument about "out of mind, out of sight" is not a very good one. If you didn't know, the real saying is "out of sight, out of mind"... and it's much more salient.

 

[lvbuckeye]

I'm not asking for pro-SC sentiments.



Already did an OTL. I didn't think it was that good. And again, who is comparing?

sold. that's good enough for me. i'm aware of perspective not allowing us to view things objectively.

 

[methomps]

Well I wanted to comment on this, I live semi-close to LA, and thus anything and everything that is USC/UCLA is in the Times, Register, etc... So I would remember more about something happening at USC than a lot of OSU stuff due to where I am at. Hence I have pointed out where on stations like AM 570 they are basically acting like Bush's family went behind his back and screwed him, and where the papers have been almost as homer.

But after what you said earlier I have gotten a little more understanding, but here the media hasn't really made anything out of it.

Radio is such that taking a minority (and even indefensible) is rewarded in the ratings department. Also, the case is so complicated that I don't think anyone really has a grasp on it. It's not a straight-forward "agent gives money to athlete and athlete's family in exchange for signing" situation. Complexity doesn't go over well on radio.

My point was that your point was hyperbole. Believing that selective retention constitutes why tOSU fans are disgruntled with ESPN's handling of the Clarett issue in comparison with this fiasco

I wouldn't say that it is all that goes into it, but I think it plays a significant role.

is perhaps selective retention and hyperbole on your part.

An over-estimation, perhaps. We all have limitations.

I clearly demonstrated that I, an Ohio State fan, remember watching an hour-long ESPN special (Outside the Lines, if I remember correctly) on SEC violations -- which aired maybe 9 months to a year ago.
Like lvbuckeye pointed out, when ESPN does an Outside the Lines special on Bushgate you will have a point.

What point? I'm not comparing.

I can't tell if you're trying to pull a strawman here or something else.

Selective retention mostly operates to protect feelings and beliefs. You cited your recollection of a show about SEC problems as evidence discrediting my theory. However, selective retention wouldn't be used to predict that you might not remember the SEC article unless that article conflicts with one of your beliefs (for instance, a belief that ESPN ignores problems about the SEC).

But that was never my point, nor bitch, to begin with. Merely that your argument about "out of mind, out of sight" is not a very good one. If you didn't know, the real saying is "out of sight, out of mind"... and it's much more salient.

"out of mind, out of sight" was your quote. I don't think it accurately portrays my argument at all.

 

[jwinslow]

23, you might want to check why lv is 'sold'... and has conceded defeat re: OTL.

 

[Deety]

The frenzy surrounding the MoC allegations gained much of its fuel from Clarett's willingness to bring his vendettas to the media. It can't be quite so much fun to cover the Bush allegations when he won't even toss away his USC jersey for a magazine cover... spoilsport. :p

 

[23Skidoo]

23, you might want to check why lv is 'sold'... and has conceded defeat re: OTL.

As I recall, that show was primarily about Bush and New Orleans (aired around August or September) -- not Bushgate. Unless there was another OTL on Bush that I missed?