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NCAA punishes USC - Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Jarrett, Joe McKnight investigation

methomps;746346; said:
Selective retention mostly operates to protect feelings and beliefs. You cited your recollection of a show about SEC problems as evidence discrediting my theory. However, selective retention wouldn't be used to predict that you might not remember the SEC article unless that article conflicts with one of your beliefs (for instance, a belief that ESPN ignores problems about the SEC).




"out of mind, out of sight" was your quote. I don't think it accurately portrays my argument at all.

So your argument is that I'm repressing things I've seen/heard about Bush because it fits your perspective of my perspective regarding the person we're discussing.
Out of curiosity... are you a psych? In my experience, only a psych could come up with such an obviously flawed argument that is so hard to describe as well.

Is there any reason you don't think "out of mind, out of sight" doesn't reflect your approach?
 
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23Skidoo;746362; said:
So your argument is that I'm repressing things I've seen/heard about Bush because it fits your perspective of my perspective regarding the person we're discussing.
Out of curiosity... are you a psych? In my experience, only a psych could come up with such an obviously flawed argument that is so hard to describe as well.

Is there any reason you don't think "out of mind, out of sight" doesn't reflect your approach?

No to everything but the last question. Yes to the last question. It just isn't what I am saying.

Deety;746355; said:
The frenzy surrounding the MoC allegations gained much of its fuel from Clarett's willingness to bring his vendettas to the media. It can't be quite so much fun to cover the Bush allegations when he won't even toss away his USC jersey for a magazine cover... spoilsport. :p

As he shouldn't. I paid him good money to wear that jersey.
 
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methomps, I agree with your comments about selective retention. I also think you make a salient point with a private university being able to ignore FOIA requests; I've made that same point about USC and Miami myself in the past.

While I don't believe that USC is being given a free pass, I also think that the media are not pursuing them as aggressively as they did tOSU, but I think there are reasons for that.

Deety made a good point about the amount of media coverage being affected by the fact that Clarett was directly slinging allegations around, while Reggie Bush prefers not to talk about what happened, while stating that USC did no wrong.

I also think it's possible that ESPN may have learned to not attack programs as vociferously as they attacked tOSU, due to some private conversations that probably occurred among ESPN, tOSU and the Big Ten. That's just speculation on my part.

And I dislike the "Where there's smoke, there's fire" comments. tOSU fans heard that exact quote repeatedly from many media members (most visibly from multiple ESPN employees) when going through the intense scrutiny a couple of years ago. I didn't think it was valid when directed at tOSU, and I don't think it's valid when directed at another program. I would prefer "Where there's smoke, let's investigate to clear the air".

But I stand by my opinion that if the phone contact between Bush and McKnight occurred, and was facilitated by the USC staff, then the NCAA should force him to attend another school. I think that punishment to USC would fit that specific (alleged) violation, that the University broke a rule in order to help induce a recruit to attend USC. Any other penalties besides that should be decided after all investigations have been completed. If the phone call(s) occurred, I don't blame McKnight, but making him go somewhere else wouldn't be a unduly harsh penalty for him. Several schools would undoubtedly find a scholarship for him rather quickly.

I understand the difference between Bush getting paid from an agent without the knowledge of USC. If the agent isn't considered a booster of USC, that makes the situation different from the Ed Martin/Chris Webber/Fab5 thing that eventually resulted in TSUN removing their Final 4 banners.

This is purely conjecture on my part, but I don't think USC is close to getting hit with 'lack of institutional control'. However, I think they may be in danger of being hit with a 'failure to monitor' situation, depending on the results of the investigation(s). For those who don't recall, 'failure to monitor' was the finding that tOSU's football and basketball programs were hit with after the NCAA investigations were completed.
 
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BB73, you expresses my general feelings exactly (except for the McKnight punishment). I do think ESPN has changed since MoC, and you have a pretty good theory as to why.

I just think that making McKnight go elsewhere would be unduly harsh. He obviously didn't know it was a violation. I think it is out of proportion with the nature of the violation and with other penalties handed out for recruiting violations (Sampson's phone calls, etc). Plus I want McKnight. :biggrin:
 
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I also think it's possible that ESPN may have learned to not attack programs as vociferously as they attacked tOSU,

To this day, people still view the Bucks as "shady." Yet, Petey is seen as a "players coach, the kind of guy you want to play for." The damage that ESPN, and other media types, did to this program is still being repaired. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for SC.

He obviously didn't know it was a violation.

Selective retention.
 
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Shoeless Joe;747244; said:
ok if they do find that he took money just what will happen to USC, I really dont think they will get hurt that bad iin the long run

I have to disagree here, lots of violations take place and programs punished due to what the athlete did without the university knowing. The point of that is you should know what your students are doing, if one comes in driving a brand new car where he couldn't afford shit a week ago, it's the coaches job to step back and get the university/ncaa involved. Ask a student from any school who's been put on probation, ignorance is not an excuse.
 
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808 Buck;747203; said:
Selective retention.

Nah, he'll just say it's selective retention on your part (and salient to your motives) to paint it that he has selective retention. It's the inherent and ridiculous flaw with using such irresponsible logic.
Once you can pass off anybody (or group) of people's opinion without dealing with it straightforward, you've opened the door to becoming shut off and buying into your own hype. Not to mention, your "adversaries" can play the same game back. And all you end up with is a vicious cycle of psycho-babble.

The mere concept of a fan claiming others have "selective retention" on matters revolving around their team and suspicious actions is absurd. That's all I have to say.
 
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OCBucksFan;747254; said:
I have to disagree here, lots of violations take place and programs punished due to what the athlete did without the university knowing. The point of that is you should know what your students are doing, if one comes in driving a brand new car where he couldn't afford shit a week ago, it's the coaches job to step back and get the university/ncaa involved. Ask a student from any school who's been put on probation, ignorance is not an excuse.
good points and noted
 
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23Skidoo;747383; said:
Nah, he'll just say it's selective retention on your part (and salient to your motives) to paint it that he has selective retention. It's the inherent and ridiculous flaw with using such irresponsible logic.
Once you can pass off anybody (or group) of people's opinion without dealing with it straightforward, you've opened the door to becoming shut off and buying into your own hype. Not to mention, your "adversaries" can play the same game back. And all you end up with is a vicious cycle of psycho-babble.

The mere concept of a fan claiming others have "selective retention" on matters revolving around their team and suspicious actions is absurd. That's all I have to say.

Fair warning to others: don't use phrases like "those PSU fans are delusional" or "take off your rose-colored glasses" around 23skidoo.

In addition to being "psychobabble," selective retention comes into play in marketing and advertising (where I first learned about it). Thus, it is also busi-babble.
 
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