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NCAA punishes USC - Reggie Bush, OJ Mayo, Dwayne Jarrett, Joe McKnight investigation

I've been a buckeye fan a long time. Like everyone else here I lived through Clarett-gate and Smith-gate etc. When looking at these rumours flying about USC I can't help but compare these to what tOSU had going on. If what is being reported is true, it certainly looks as if Bush (his family) and Jarrett have both received illegal benefit. Whether Carroll and the USC sports department was involved doesn't really matter. These players, because of who they are and what they are capable of doing on the football field, received extra monetary benefit that they were not supposed to recieve if they wanted to maintain amateur status. In post number 286 of this thread there is an article posted that says the Leinart's father basically acknowledges the fact the Jarrett might have to repay him about $10,000 in back rent. From this I conclude that Jarrett has received $10,000 in extra benefit and is no longer an amateur. Parents of a player SHOULD in my opinion be able to provide whatever they want for their own son but parents SHOULD NOT be able to provide ANYTHING for one of their son's teammates. To me that is the same as if the money was provided by a booster. Parents of an athlete should be considered boosters if they monetarily assist any player other than their own son. Who's closer to the program than the parent's of the players? Troy Smith received what turned out to be $500 dollars from a former booster. This money was reportedly to pay off a cell phone bill ran up by Maurice Jackass. Compare this to Jarrett getting $10,000 in benefit so he could live like a rockstar in some high profile apartment in Hollywood! Let's see here, Smith got suspended 2 games and had to pay back the money before he could be reinstated. How many game suspension does $10,000 get you. So far none! This is the difference between Carroll and Tressell. If it was Ginn Jr. who was being reported to have received $10,000 in illegal benefit he would have likely been immediately suspended. Tressel self reports and self imposes penalty. Carroll will have to be forced to take action. He won't stand up take charge and clean it up himself. Now Carroll comes out in the press and essentially says that he believes that there has been NO WRONGDOING and NOTHING will likely come from it. Bullshit! Reggie Bush's family receives by one account $300,000 in benefit by having a son who's SUPPOSED to be an AMATEUR and that's OK in the eyes of Pete Carroll. Whether Carroll or USC had any prior knowledge or not, action still must be taken. In the cases of Bush and Jarrett, all games that they participated in from the time they first received illegal benefits until the time of discovery of these benefits must be forfeited. All games! If one of those games happens to be a BCS National Championship game well then shit! If USC competed with ineligible players and didn't know it then it looks like they failed to monitor properly didn't they? The previous poster who said that this is much worse than the issues tOSU had in the past was correct in saying so. Also, like Troy Smith, Jarrett should be suspended and have to make restitution payments. Smith got 2 games for $500 so I'd guess $10,000 should get Jarrett an entire season suspension including a bowl game. Paying back that 10 grand sure will suck but hey he's got until kick off of the 2007 season to do it. Unless of course he decides to go pro first! I feel sorry for USC's fans. I know how they feel and what they are going through. However, NCAA football is played by amateurs and only amateurs and it's important to maintain balance and to maintain fairness. University of Southern California Trojans, it's your turn to run the gauntlet! I wish you all the best! Oh and GO BUCKS!
 
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Not everyone will agree with everything you said, but I thought it was a good post. Of course, there can be too much white space too :biggrin:

I apologize


for making


everyone go


cross-eyed.


I had alot


to say and was


preoccupied with


getting the message out!


I'm sorry. Not really. But I am sorry for the USC fans.


Poor Bastards.
 
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I've been thinking the same thing about Leinart's father - I'd be amazed if he wasn't considered a USC booster.

And although the value of $10,000 in free rent is much more than the $500 that went to Smith, it's less unseemly than getting cash from somebody you don't really know.

In my opinion, the offenses seem like they deserve a similar penalty. I'll be surprised if Jarrett doesn't get a 1 or 2-game suspension for this.

It's a little ironic that the year in that apartment probably ended up costing Leinart's son millions of dollars.

And has Mike Garrett, the AD, been quiet on this? I haven't seen him being quoted or making statements.
 
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Am I the only one who thinks the BCS is being completely ridiculous right now?

They are talking about retroactively changing their charter in case they need to pull USC's title, when the NCAA hasn't even formally opened an investigation as of yet.

I'm sorry but that's insane.
 
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Whether Carroll and the USC sports department was involved doesn't really matter.
Actually, USC's involvement or non-involvement does matter, significantly.


These players, because of who they are and what they are capable of doing on the football field, received extra monetary benefit that they were not supposed to recieve if they wanted to maintain amateur status.
That's not necessarily true in Jarrett's case. He received the alleged extra benefit because he was Leinart's roommate two seasons ago and they decided to stay roommates. If Leinart's roommate in '04 had been just some random student, I don't see Bob Leinart saying, "Jim, I know you're Matt's roommate and good friend. Because of safety concerns we're moving Matt into Medici which has better security. Now, I would offer to pay the difference between your current rent and this, but I won't because you're not a football player.


In post number 286 of this thread there is an article posted that says the Leinart's father basically acknowledges the fact the Jarrett might have to repay him about $10,000 in back rent. From this I conclude that Jarrett has received $10,000 in extra benefit and is no longer an amateur.
I don't get how you conclude this from Bob Leinart saying he was told he might have to be repaid. You are basically saying that because there might be a violation, this is proof of a violation.

Parents of a player SHOULD in my opinion be able to provide whatever they want for their own son but parents SHOULD NOT be able to provide ANYTHING for one of their son's teammates.
Nothing?

To me that is the same as if the money was provided by a booster. Parents of an athlete should be considered boosters if they monetarily assist any player other than their own son. Who's closer to the program than the parent's of the players? Troy Smith received what turned out to be $500 dollars from a former booster. This money was reportedly to pay off a cell phone bill ran up by Maurice Jackass. Compare this to Jarrett getting $10,000 in benefit so he could live like a rockstar in some high profile apartment in Hollywood!
First, Medici is really nice but not rockstar nice. USC students live there. Second, you are comparing the dollar amounts between the TS situation and the DJ situation, but not the method. TS was given $500 in cash. Jarrett wasn't given $10,000 cash.

The difference doesn't make TS's case a benefit and DJ's not, but the circumstance does play a role in viewing the violation and what to do with it.


Let's see here, Smith got suspended 2 games and had to pay back the money before he could be reinstated. How many game suspension does $10,000 get you. So far none! This is the difference between Carroll and Tressell. If it was Ginn Jr. who was being reported to have received $10,000 in illegal benefit he would have likely been immediately suspended. Tressel self reports and self imposes penalty.
You are being disingenuous here. JT suspended Smith immediately because he had an upcoming game. Nobody with any sense would play a player known to have an eligibility issue before the NCAA makes a ruling.

We live in an information world, where people can learn news from all over the world very quickly. I guess this has created a mentality where people want this resolved and justice meted out by the end of the day. What practical purpose would it serve to hastily suspend Jarrett now, in the middle of spring finals?

If USC waits two weeks or two months during a dead point in the season, what does it matter? A suspension isn't going to preclude Jarrett from anything in the next couple months. So why criticize Carroll for waiting for all the facts to come in?


Carroll will have to be forced to take action. He won't stand up take charge and clean it up himself.
That's funny, I seem to remember a quote from this very thread where Carroll said he was taking it upon himself to effect change. He's met with the team already. Your accusations seem to lack substance.


Now Carroll comes out in the press and essentially says that he believes that there has been NO WRONGDOING and NOTHING will likely come from it. Bullshit! Reggie Bush's family receives by one account $300,000 in benefit by having a son who's SUPPOSED to be an AMATEUR and that's OK in the eyes of Pete Carroll.
And here is the other consequence of living in an information world. People take as fact whatever side is first reported. It is very, very possible that Reggie Bush's family did receive $300,000. But it is not JUST any random 'account'. It is the account of an attorney who hopes to win a $3 million lawsuit against Reggie Bush. It is the account of an attorney who has indicated that he would accept hush money from USC even though USC has done nothing to him or his clients. It is the account of an attorney who has lied about (or at least embellished) the nature of his representation of one of the parties (Caravantes) in correspondence with attorneys for Reggie Bush.

Yes, it is possible that the account of $300,000 payment is true. However, the account is not from an unbiased or disinterested source, so taking it as fact and calling Pete Carroll a liar because of it is quite premature.




If USC competed with ineligible players and didn't know it then it looks like they failed to monitor properly didn't they?
Not necessarily. It's only failure to monitor if the NCAA determines that there were steps USC SHOULD have taken that WOULD or COULD have led to the discovery of the violations.

Whether Carroll or USC had any prior knowledge or not, action still must be taken. In the cases of Bush and Jarrett, all games that they participated in from the time they first received illegal benefits until the time of discovery of these benefits must be forfeited. All games! If one of those games happens to be a BCS National Championship game well then shit!

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The previous poster who said that this is much worse than the issues tOSU had in the past was correct in saying so. Also, like Troy Smith, Jarrett should be suspended and have to make restitution payments. Smith got 2 games for $500 so I'd guess $10,000 should get Jarrett an entire season suspension including a bowl game.
So you think Jarrett and USC should be punished twice? From my recollection, Troy Smith received the improper benefit before the 2004 season. The violation was not discovered by tOSU until December 2004. Yet tOSU did not have to forfeit the games Troy Smith participated in during the 2004 season.
 
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So you think Jarrett and USC should be punished twice? From my recollection, Troy Smith received the improper benefit before the 2004 season. The violation was not discovered by tOSU until December 2004. Yet tOSU did not have to forfeit the games Troy Smith participated in during the 2004 season.

you sure about that?

Geoffrey Webster, an attorney for Baker's former company, Poly-Care Services, called the university Dec. 9 after employees described an envelope being given to an Ohio State player who doesn't work for the company.

An employee was disturbed by Baker's boast "Now, I own him," Webster told the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

"I can't think of any way to make that a good statement," Webster told the paper. "I've spent 30 years as an attorney, word-smithing things. I have a real hard time coming up with anything else that he could have meant that could be a positive. I just can't.

"To say something like that is really wrong and really inappropriate."

Webster said it wasn't clear what was inside the envelope.

Geigar said a runaway booster is any program's biggest fear.

"Good boosters are terrific and exactly what you want," Geigar said. "The rogue booster is what you constantly worry about what causes you [to miss] sleep. It is impossible to know what you don't know. When you find out something, you automatically delve into that situation to find out if there is other history."

Smith was suspended for the Alamo Bowl and next season's opener. Ohio State will have to petition the NCAA for his re-instatement.
 
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