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NCAA Coaches: Bribing Players


I'll be honest; I never did understand why D'Angelo came to Columbus.​
When he committed in 2013, tOSU was one year removed from a Final Four run, and coming off an Elite-8 appearance. tOSU was still one of the top programs in the country. 2014 would see them slip to 25-10 with a first round exit. Though it was clearly the beginning of a major decline, at that point it could easily have just been a "bump in the road." So, really, it isn't that surprising Russell came to C-bus. Unfortunately, he would be the last really good player of the Matta era, and even the 2015 team with him wasn't that good (24-11, bounced in the second round).
 
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Oh, there's an article from the media about it! It must be 100% facts!

You act like you're always the smartest guy in the room, but you're not. Are there any articles out there about the Brian Bowen recruitment at Louisville that mention the payment? I mean, before the discovery? Of course not.

Am I saying Thad is dirty? Not in the least....but facts are facts when it comes to recruiting. We DID end up with J Mamba, after his escapades at Louisville (!) helped to put them on probation. He then committed to Nike mega-hub Oregon. He then switched to Nike Midwest (Ohio State). Are you telling me Lyle was NOT involved in the shoe-company circus we are going to be reading about for the next year?

Look at the article you linked! It specifically mentions how Russell didn't official anywhere else. That, alone, is peculiar. He's not even a purely Kentucky recruit, anyways, because he opened himself up to be recruited on a more national scale by heading to Montverde. So, a kid from Louisville, who is willing to go across the country for basketball to Florida, wants to play for Ohio State and Ohio State only? THAT is why I mentioned his recruitment.
 
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Oh, there's an article from the media about it! It must be 100% facts!

You act like you're always the smartest guy in the room, but you're not. Are there any articles out there about the Brian Bowen recruitment at Louisville that mention the payment? I mean, before the discovery? Of course not.

Am I saying Thad is dirty? Not in the least....but facts are facts when it comes to recruiting. We DID end up with J Mamba, after his escapades at Louisville (!) helped to put them on probation. He then committed to Nike mega-hub Oregon. He then switched to Nike Midwest (Ohio State). Are you telling me Lyle was NOT involved in the shoe-company circus we are going to be reading about for the next year?

Look at the article you linked! It specifically mentions how Russell didn't official anywhere else. That, alone, is peculiar. He's not even a purely Kentucky recruit, anyways, because he opened himself up to be recruited on a more national scale by heading to Montverde. So, a kid from Louisville, who is willing to go across the country for basketball to Florida, wants to play for Ohio State and Ohio State only? THAT is why I mentioned his recruitment.
Is it possible? Sure. Is it super swell and admirably humble to assume or worry about potential OSU NCAA violations all along , long before any of this came out? Not really.

As for being elitist pricks, that's sort of our thing here, as I'd argue you're being too with this approach.

Yes I was one by giving the officially sanctioned backstory in that manner. Now I'm entertained by the call out about arrogance and knowing everything given your longtime approach to this. Your insight is so substantial that you have apparently always believed that it was not understandable for Thad to land him. Not a little worrisome or something that surprised you a bit but beyond the realm of understanding. You threw in a disclaimer that you think Thad isn't dirty, but didn't even finish the sentence before returning to the incontrovertible nature of the facts.

That's the kind of thing that shows up on a Michigan board every time a blue chipper verbals to OSU, particularly in basketball. And you might be right, but it just makes your rebuke pretty ironic.
 
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@HabaneroBuck - I understand the worry, more so with Lyle though. Thad was the primary recruiter for Russell so that makes me feel a lot better. That combined with the fact we didn't get any other top 30 recruits in about a decade (Russell being the top), I feel pretty safe.

Lyle is about the only one I'd worry about, Dickerson was listed as his primary, Thad was a secondary.
 
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I know this is over a week old, but just in case you hadn't read/heard this....

CHRIS HOLTMANN: OHIO STATE HAS NOT BEEN CONTACTED BY THE FBI FOLLOWING COLLEGE BASKETBALL INVESTIGATION



The fallout from the FBI's investigation into college basketball in multiple cases of bribery schemes has dominated sports headlines across the country this week.

Four college basketball assistant coaches – Chuck Person of Auburn, Emanuel Richardson of Arizona, Tony Bland of Southern California and Lamont Evans of Oklahoma State – were all charged after an investigation by the FBI determined that the coaches used hundreds of thousands of dollars to influence high school recruits to play at their respective schools.

It was also discovered that Adidas' James Gatto is being accused of funneling $100,000 to the University of Louisville to gain the commitment of a high school athlete with the assumption that athlete will sign a sponsorship deal with Adidas once he turns professional.

With the fallout of this surrounding college basketball, Chris Holtmann, entering his first season as Ohio State's basketball coach, said Thursday at his on-campus media day that no one in his program has been contacted by the FBI.

"We have not been contacted. I have not and no one on my staff has," Holtmann said. "As a coach, you have mixed feelings about this. I think I have great respect for all of those that intend to do this the right way and have done in the right way. I mentioned that about Thad (Matta) during my initial press conference and there are many others that do it the right way."

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...bi-following-college-basketball-investigation
 
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I knew stuff with pretty bad with regard to AAU teams, coaches, and shoe companies but did not realize the real significance of it until I read this article with some quotes from high school coaches in Northeast Ohio.
Michael Duncan has been in AAU for 34 years. He runs Ohio Basketball Club and thinks the culture around grassroots basketball has regressed. It is designed to expose high school players to college coaches, but Duncan can think of at least one player who asked him for more.

“I’m not going to say his name, but he wanted me to pay for his cell phone bill,” Duncan said. “He said other coaches were paying for his bills.”

The FBI investigation alleges an Adidas executive conspired to pay $100,000 to a Louisville commit — believed to be Brian Bowen — on the condition he signed with the shoe company next year when he turns pro.

Duncan’s experience is small in comparison, but it has convinced him this news will not dissuade some from offering money or others from asking for it.

“If you don’t think they’re out there finding another way to hustle the system, you’ve got it twisted,” he said.

His OBC program, like many, is sponsored by Adidas. Duncan said Adidas only partially sponsors his program. In return, OBC must participate in five Adidas-sponsored tournaments. This limits opportunities to play teams sponsored by Nike or Under Armour. It also can force colleges to recruit specific players.

“College coaches make comments that 'We can’t recruit that kid because we’re a Nike school and he plays for an Adidas AAU team,'” St. Edward coach Eric Flannery said.

As a result, a game takes place within the game.
FBI college basketball investigation: What impact has it had at Northeast Ohio high schools, AAU programs?
 
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"Nothing to see here" Verdict on the UNC academic scandal. Guessing cause the FBI wasn't involved in this one.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...nctions-student-athlete-amateurism-fbi-probe/

The dichotomy of these two simultaneous cases -- the UNC case and the FBI case -- is stunning.

For nearly two decades, UNC had, according to a university investigation, offered a "shadow curriculum" of so-called "paper classes." These classes, nearly 200 in total, required no attendance and only one paper. Some 3,100 students attended these paper classes, with some 1,500 student-athletes -- ahem, "student-athletes" -- being steered into these classes.

But because these sham classes in the African and Afro-American Studies Department were also open to non-athletes -- and since, yes, slightly more non-athletes took (ahem: "took") these classes than athletes -- the NCAA said this was an academic matter, not an athletic matter. After an interminable investigation, the NCAA determined this was outside of its limited jurisdiction.

Instead of taking a moral stand and risking legal action by UNC, the NCAA agreed with UNC's rebuttal to the NCAA's original charges.
 
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