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Game Thread Navy 27, at tOSU 31 (Sep 5th, ESPN)

I didn't bother reading most of this thread because of the chicken little crowd but a couple of points.

Navy plays an offense we see once a decade so it's hard to take anything away on how the defense is going to do this year.

Let's no oss Anderson Russell under the bus yet. Some of things I heard yesterday among the general populace made me hang my head in shame.

Kicker is a position we truly have been blessed at in the Tressel area. Watching the kicking in the OU-BYU game and many games around the country, AP give us a real advantage.

Maybe the stat heads can find this out but when's the last time our TE's and RB's combined to have more catches then the WRs in a game? Nice job of distrubting the ball today.
 
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BuckeyeNation36;1531793; said:
I was stunned when up 29-14, Tressel decided to go for it. Going up by 3 scores with an easy FG is an automatic decision. I don't care how many people are chanting " go for it ". That would have closed the game out and avoided all that unnecessary drama.

Confidence building should never cloud such a crucial decison. That was one huge mulligan he dodged.

15 up with 6 min left in the game with your offense moving the ball well and the d more than holding their own... it probably didn't feel like a crucial decision at the time. imo if jt believed navy could score the way they did to finish out the game we would have taken the 3. people keep saying we respected navy too much, in that specific case i don't think we respected them near enough.

BrutusMaximus;1531875; said:
I always tell my dad: On 4th and 1, 3rd and 1, etc.....if I was a coach, there would never be a dive play in my playbook.

what do you tell your dad about 4th and 2?

Jaxbuck;1531889; said:
I know what you are saying but I still can't get past the idea of this being Ohio State, the talent level of athlete we are supposed to have and the coaching they are supposed to be getting.

whats your opinion of oklahoma's talent level? talent is only one part of the equation. just my humble uneducated opinion but the fb position struggled today in lead blocking. i don't expect to see much of that against usc.

I just don't see how they can't get a yard when they need it against a team like Navy. Unless of course there is a breakdown somewhere in that talent+coaching=production formula.

it was actually 2 yards. we didn't get it because the fb missed his block. thats not to say the oline blew open a hole, but if we get that block theres a pretty decent chance we get the first down.

I understand why it happened but the fact remains that was Navy who could spread us out, isolate Russel and get that kind of result. USC has to be excited about their chances to exploit the same matchups with 10x the talent at their disposal.

if i were usc thats exactly the matchup id be looking for. but i think its pretty safe to say we won't be running the same d against usc. you have to remember we had a minimum of 8 in the box every play and its really hard to disguise your defense against an offense like navy. i don't think we learned anything new about our d yesterday.
 
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Unfortunately when you DO watch the films youll have a tendency to agree slightly..

craigblitz;1531405; said:
"They have got to be licking their chops at what they saw from our FS trying to cover and from watching Navy's DL stand our OL up and control the LOS all day long."

I have to disagree with ya man. I have not watched the tape yet I was at the game but I did not see the DL stand up the OL. The splits and gaps Navy used made it hard for our OL get hat on hat. What they did really well is exploit a gap and have the LB's come crashing through the A - B gaps. We could have and maybe should have ran that option with Pryor ALL DAY and would have got 5 yards a pop with ease becasue of that.

Having said that our O-Line needs to get to work in a big way this week if we are going to be able to compete next week.
 
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martinss01;1531970; said:
whats your opinion of oklahoma's talent level? talent is only one part of the equation. just my humble uneducated opinion but the fb position struggled today in lead blocking. i don't expect to see much of that against usc.

I agree there are multiple parts of the equation. The part to the right of the = is what concerns me. I'm done splitting hairs with people about which part to the left is more important. The sum total of our offensive production looks to be sub par once again. It's not like its an isolated event.



it was actually 2 yards. we didn't get it because the fb missed his block. thats not to say the oline blew open a hole, but if we get that block theres a pretty decent chance we get the first down.
Bottom line is they ran 2 plays to get 2 yards against Navy and failed to do so. That would be concerning even if this was the first time we'd seen it. It isn't.



if i were usc thats exactly the matchup id be looking for. but i think its pretty safe to say we won't be running the same d against usc. you have to remember we had a minimum of 8 in the box every play and its really hard to disguise your defense against an offense like navy. i don't think we learned anything new about our d yesterday.
I agree. My only concern is Heacock goes all 2006 on us and tries to protect the secondary by playing a ton of zone. Maybe the front 4 will be good enough to make it work, we shall see.
 
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This type of game reminded of the 2002 season. A thousand questions with all parts of the teams play and coaching but, WINS. I'll take that:)

Funny part of the game, all those weak fans leaving the game before or early part of the 4th quarter too beat the traffic :biggrin:
 
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Well I just watched the game on DVR so here's my take....

OL- A bigger deal is being made on the pass rush that they allowed. They kept showing either Bauserman getting sacked or the play were pryor got away from pressure and found a wide open Ballard. The pass pro was good I thought but the running attack left much to be desired. I still think we're far too predictable on our formation in what we like to do. Under center and in the I formation? Either a dive or a playaction. Run out of spread, out of two tights, run out of something different to keep the looks different.

QB- Pryor looked fantastic. Made few mistakes and made some very good throws. He would like to have the pass that sailed high to Carter/Sanzo back but over all he looked his normal self. Infact I'd like to see him carry the ball a little more. Nothing crazy but we need more than 30+ yards outta him. As Tressel says If the QB can get 50+ yards its more than likely gonna be a win. Well he had only 30 yards and we barely edged them out. Pryor has got to be a tad more involved running the football.

RB- Looked good as well. Saine ran harder than I can ever remember, and boom was his steady self. I would've liked to seen one of the freshman steal a screen pass or so.

WR- I will say it now. Duron Carter will be the next Larry Fitzgerald. He didn't make any freak catches but to me he has that look that if you throw him the ball up high he will come down with it. Obviously Posey was missed the rest of the game, and having Small back will help. Washington though continue's to be the same story. Great in the spring and pretty shakey in the fall. Sanzo was great though. Overall very excited bout Sanzo, Carter, Posey, and Small as a foursome.

TE- I thought this was another bright spot. Both Ballard and Stoney were great out there.

Defense- This is obviously were It was frustrating (as I knew it would be). The rushing attack from Navy doesn't concern me because I thought we tackled well and Navy was going to get theres. My over all biggest concern by far is Anderson Russel. He got beat for a total of like 100 of their 150 some yards passing. They were two standard routes that he'll see through the season and he got absolutely killed on both routes. a Corner route and a post that both led to scores. WOW, this is a senior who's seen it all getting beat. Very disappointing and considering how his season ended last year I would've liked to see him start strong. Now next week we won't be playing as much man and won't be so concened about the option attack which should help him, but count me in the group that is very concerned about Anderson Russel in pass pro. The other thing that really made me shake my head was the 99 yard drive. I don't care what offense you run. When an offense makes a 99 yard drive you should do better than that. You gata give props to Navy for that, but that shouldn't have ever happened.

Overall- Watching the game it looked and seemed like it was in control the entire way. To me the thing was it looked like OSU was just on the verge of exploding on any given play. An ankle grab there, a great tackle here. On the flip Navy made those big plays. TD runs from 15+ out, TD catches from 88 and another from 15+ yards out. They made big plays and OSU was more methodical. I thought the playcalling particularly was responsible for that as well. I thought we played it pretty close to the vest (no pun) and didn't really try for the juggular (as we always never seem to do anyways).

Next week- I think we'll see a much better performance outta out defense.
 
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Jaxbuck;1532047; said:
Bottom line is they ran 2 plays to get 2 yards against Navy and failed to do so. That would be concerning even if this was the first time we'd seen it. It isn't.


+1
I think we would have won at least 3 MNC's by now under JT if the oline play is consistently just slightly better than average...
 
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BukI,
I agree for the most part about the line. The one thing that I noticed about the playaction was the line slid the opposite direction as the rollout, on a couple of plays a guard or center pulled for protection and it worked. But other times when nobody pulled is when there was pressure.

Overall pass protection didn't look terrible but I am curious if the line keys were correct. Even on one of Duron's catches a wide blitz came from TP's blindside and the LT blocked down which happened to be nobody on that play. It was a quick pass so maybe that was by design?
 
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heres what I took from this game

Ohio State rarely faces an offense like this

and it seems like they were really confused out there and didnt have much of an idea of how to defend it.......

USC runs a conventional offense, while navy runs an offense based on deception
 
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bukIpower;1532106; said:
Well I just watched the game on DVR so here's my take....

OL- A bigger deal is being made on the pass rush that they allowed. They kept showing either Bauserman getting sacked or the play were pryor got away from pressure and found a wide open Ballard. The pass pro was good I thought but the running attack left much to be desired. I still think we're far too predictable on our formation in what we like to do. Under center and in the I formation? Either a dive or a playaction. Run out of spread, out of two tights, run out of something different to keep the looks different.

QB- Pryor looked fantastic. Made few mistakes and made some very good throws. He would like to have the pass that sailed high to Carter/Sanzo back but over all he looked his normal self. Infact I'd like to see him carry the ball a little more. Nothing crazy but we need more than 30+ yards outta him. As Tressel says If the QB can get 50+ yards its more than likely gonna be a win. Well he had only 30 yards and we barely edged them out. Pryor has got to be a tad more involved running the football.

RB- Looked good as well. Saine ran harder than I can ever remember, and boom was his steady self. I would've liked to seen one of the freshman steal a screen pass or so.

WR- I will say it now. Duron Carter will be the next Larry Fitzgerald. He didn't make any freak catches but to me he has that look that if you throw him the ball up high he will come down with it. Obviously Posey was missed the rest of the game, and having Small back will help. Washington though continue's to be the same story. Great in the spring and pretty shakey in the fall. Sanzo was great though. Overall very excited bout Sanzo, Carter, Posey, and Small as a foursome.

TE- I thought this was another bright spot. Both Ballard and Stoney were great out there.

Defense- This is obviously were It was frustrating (as I knew it would be). The rushing attack from Navy doesn't concern me because I thought we tackled well and Navy was going to get theres. My over all biggest concern by far is Anderson Russel. He got beat for a total of like 100 of their 150 some yards passing. They were two standard routes that he'll see through the season and he got absolutely killed on both routes. a Corner route and a post that both led to scores. WOW, this is a senior who's seen it all getting beat. Very disappointing and considering how his season ended last year I would've liked to see him start strong. Now next week we won't be playing as much man and won't be so concened about the option attack which should help him, but count me in the group that is very concerned about Anderson Russel in pass pro. The other thing that really made me shake my head was the 99 yard drive. I don't care what offense you run. When an offense makes a 99 yard drive you should do better than that. You gata give props to Navy for that, but that shouldn't have ever happened.

Overall- Watching the game it looked and seemed like it was in control the entire way. To me the thing was it looked like OSU was just on the verge of exploding on any given play. An ankle grab there, a great tackle here. On the flip Navy made those big plays. TD runs from 15+ out, TD catches from 88 and another from 15+ yards out. They made big plays and OSU was more methodical. I thought the playcalling particularly was responsible for that as well. I thought we played it pretty close to the vest (no pun) and didn't really try for the juggular (as we always never seem to do anyways).

Next week- I think we'll see a much better performance outta out defense.

The only thing that really worried me on defense was the tackling could have been a bit more solid, but for the coverages, there is a reason some guys are corners and others are safeties. I don't look into that as much because I don't think Russell will be out on a island as much against USC as it was against Navy since Ohio State was so committed to stopping the run first.

My biggest worry is the funk the Offensive line seems to be in still. I certainly don't question their talent and I don' think that to a man their motivation is the problem either. I think that unless these guys move the LOS against USC Pryor is going to have a hell of a time selling the fakes and stuff.

Essentially the running game has to be there against USC and by running game I mean the running backs, not just Pryor. If the RBs can combine for over 100 yards in the game I think ohio State's chances improve markedly.

I also think that while the offensive line had an off-day, a lot of that was due to Navy being both in a 3-4 AND very tenacious all day long. Give them credit.
 
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I watched the game 2 times....

I posted this earlier but I'm sure alot don't go all the way back thru.

The 4 def td's allowed were all caused by one underlying main issue(which is why Navy runs the offense they do).....

They make you practice a overly repetitious offense that makes you stay disciplined and if you aren't they will catch you in that. Just go back through the game (and granted they played great overall because they are great players) but both Kurt Coleman and Brian Rolle cheated on their reads because of what they expected.

Kurt Coleman was most likely supposed to be the cover 1 in the passing defense due to him being our best safety. He continuously would step forward 2-3 yards right before the snap and his read would take him just outside of the DE to pick up the pitch man. On passing plays it would put him out of position to cover the deep center. He(and frankly no one in the stadium, coaching staff included) expected a post on the play following the fourth down. The Navy coaches were probably nervous to run it all game and thought that it was their only chance. They ran it Anderson isn't as good at one on one coverage and KC wasn't there and boom TD.

The flag route was Anderson's individual role error. He should've forced the WR in to the safety help whether or not Kurt was there.

The 2 td runs were caused by similar issues. Kurt played the same way so he wasn't in the deep center(not fully sure he was always the cover 1) after the FB dive. Rolle usually went to follow where the QB usually would go(outside the DE, per practice reps) but the QB followed the FB instead (read it). The DT's did their job eating up the FB but then the QB had full access to that running lane with no middle help and voila 2 td scores.

So, the next question is, Will USC use an offense like that? Most likely no. Next question, What will they run? Probably a pro style, play action/bootleg offense following their strong running game of sweep/off-tackle runs. Will our Defense play cover 1 most of the game similar to Navy? Most likely no. OSU usually plays a cover 2 and the cover guys will be Chekwa,Amos,Hines, and Torrence. This leaves Anderson and Kurt to help over the top like they are used to.

Brian won't be running directly to the outside to take the QB away as he did against Navy which will help.

Russell's role will be different for this game(no one on one) and he will get tons of work because OSU will use both him and Hines on the field alot IMO.

The main key is that our D Line gets penetration, slowing up the running backs and getting pressure on Barkley. If that happens the back seven will have a greater chance to be better and have time to be confident in their roles. All of the defensive issues are "fixable" issues.

I am pumped already and it's only Sunday.
 
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