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Yeah, fixing a value has never sat well with me. Especially since it's a two way proposition. The community's value is in its core users and regular posters (past and present), so I've always tried to make it clear that money isn't the only way to help the site.

None of this is about the site making more money. It really came down to thinking about what it would take/be worth to get rid of the ads.

Maybe I'm thinking about it the wrong way. Maybe donors simply don't have to see ads the month they donate anything, and for multiple months for every multiple of X, where X is still very modest. I've always wanted to figure out how to incentivize more to give less (@jwinslow -- I'm not sure where the efficiency cut off is with PayPal but there are other vehicles these days including Bitcoin) and maybe that's a way to do it. And for those who already give and don't do it for any other reason than they value the site, it's a nice little perk.
 
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I remember reading posts in a few other threads months ago about a lot of members who have been here a long time and/or post a ton and have not donated or have donated only once or twice since Clarity had to resort to asking for donations. So, I looked at the top 20 posters on the site--in numbers of posts--and found that with few exceptions most have donated many times:

Five of the top seven posters have donated almost every year (@osugrad21 and I every year since the first donations in 2004, @jwinslow every year since '05, @NFBuck every year since '06, and @BB73 every year since '05 except this year). Additionally: @Fungo Squiggly has donated every year since '05 except this year; @jlb1705 has donated every year since '08 and also donated in '04; @Bucklion has donated every year since '04 except for '07, '15, and '15; and @MD Buckeye has donated every year since '08, in addition to his great work in the Recruiting Forum. @Taosman has donated nine times, @wadc45, @Jake, and @Jaxbuck have donated eight times and @BuckeyeNation27 and @BUCKYLE have donated seven times. @Dryden provided great help with the server move a while back which was absolutely invaluable, along with making multiple donations. So, 17 of the top 20 posters have contributed greatly in donations, content, and system support.

Still, there are a lot of members who have been here for years and have made tons of posts who have never donated even once or have donated a time or two. Sorry, but if you have enough time to have made thousands of posts on the site over the years, you have the time to donate a couple dollars a year...
 
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I finally got my fingers off their butts and dropped a twenty in the pot. Hopefully NJ-Buckeye will stop giving me the 'stink-eye'

Mililani's list got me in a guilt-sweat.

I appreciate this little club and it helps me keep my ties back to Ohio alive. Thanks so much for all the back-end work, and for all who post interesting, funny, thoughtful and helpful content.
 
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Clarity said:
Yeah, fixing a value has never sat well with me. Especially since it's a two way proposition. The community's value is in its core users and regular posters (past and present), so I've always tried to make it clear that money isn't the only way to help the site.

None of this is about the site making more money. It really came down to thinking about what it would take/be worth to get rid of the ads.

Maybe I'm thinking about it the wrong way. Maybe donors simply don't have to see ads the month they donate anything, and for multiple months for every multiple of X, where X is still very modest. I've always wanted to figure out how to incentivize more to give less (@jwinslow -- I'm not sure where the efficiency cut off is with PayPal but there are other vehicles these days including Bitcoin) and maybe that's a way to do it. And for those who already give and don't do it for any other reason than they value the site, it's a nice little perk.
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My very scattered thoghts. Thanks for all the work you do to keep this site going. I like the idea of ads going away for donations. Tiers could be used to reduce ads. You'd have to first increase them (maybe get more obnoxious ones that generate more profit) for those that dont donate at all.

Drives may seem annoying but they are important. If you never had a drive and brought the cost of running this site to the forefront I wouldn't have donated. I like to do my donations by paying for ttun losses. Then I donate with a smile. I just checked out the 2015 drive thread and saw people were pledging based on the draft. If there was a thread for that I would have joined in. I think micro transactions are important. It's not about getting 100-200 because only a few will do that. Its about how many times you can get a lot of people to donate 10-20. If someone could make sure to fire pledge threads up for things like draft, ttun season losses, the game, bowl games, march madness buckeye wins, and anything else that might be good. Id probably end up paying 100-150 over the year and smiling the whole time rather than throwing out 50 once

I'd be curious to know what methods have the highest fees, how much does PayPal take, square take, etc. I use PayPal due to ease of use but if any other method has lower fees I would do that.

Personally I don't mind the ads at all. I see them everywhere, and seeing as most of them are Amazon (for me) I click on them a lot. On the same note thanks for keeping the ads with audio off the site. Those drive me nuts. Little flash videos are fine, but when I get an ad with audio I usually leave whatever page I'm on.
 
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i am admittedly late and only skimmed most of the responses.

But as your friendly neighborhood lawyer, I really don't think a 501(c)(3) is the way to go. It creates problems for you, personally. This is my gut check reaction, but my gut is usually right, as long as I haven't eaten bad Chinese food.

Also, even qualifying for a 501(c)(3) seems specious. I'll look into it if you want.

The amount of ads here are very far from bothering. I see no reason to not exploit this more.

Whelp, so there.
 
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cincibuck said:
I grew up reading the sports pages of the Dayton newspapers - yeah I'm so old I remember newspapers - in fact, I'm so old I remember when Dayton had TWO of them - so the ads don't bother me. I barely "see" them as I read on BP.

I wonder how others in the community feel about them.
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You had me by 1 year:frown: I am originally from Cleveland and when I was a kid they had 3 newspapers in Cleveland and I am like you… What ads?
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
I remember reading posts in a few other threads months ago about a lot of members who have been here a long time and/or post a ton and have not donated or have donated only once or twice since Clarity had to resort to asking for donations. So, I looked at the top 20 posters on the site--in numbers of posts--and found that with few exceptions most have donated many times:

Five of the top seven posters have donated almost every year (@osugrad21 and I every year since the first donations in 2004, @jwinslow every year since '05, @NFBuck every year since '06, and @BB73 every year since '05 except this year). Additionally: @Fungo Squiggly has donated every year since '05 except this year; @jlb1705 has donated every year since '08 and also donated in '04; @Bucklion has donated every year since '04 except for '07, '15, and '15; and @MD Buckeye has donated every year since '08, in addition to his great work in the Recruiting Forum. @Taosman has donated nine times, @wadc45, @Jake, and @Jaxbuck have donated eight times and @BuckeyeNation27 and @BUCKYLE have donated seven times. @Dryden provided great help with the server move a while back which was absolutely invaluable, along with making multiple donations. So, 17 of the top 20 posters have contributed greatly in donations, content, and system support.

Still, there are a lot of members who have been here for years and have made tons of posts who have never donated even once or have donated a time or two. Sorry, but if you have enough time to have made thousands of posts on the site over the years, you have the time to donate a couple dollars a year...
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Good god, when you lay it out like that, what a list of insufferable pricks in the top 20. :roll1:
 
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kinch said:
i am admittedly late and only skimmed most of the responses.

But as your friendly neighborhood lawyer, I really don't think a 501(c)(3) is the way to go. It creates problems for you, personally. This is my gut check reaction, but my gut is usually right, as long as I haven't eaten bad Chinese food.

Also, even qualifying for a 501(c)(3) seems specious. I'll look into it if you want.

The amount of ads here are very far from bothering. I see no reason to not exploit this more.

Whelp, so there.
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Oh I wouldn't be making BP a 501c3, the notion (and a brief one at best) was that I roll it into one that I'm likely creating for toxic water survivors and victims (Lejeune, Flint, etc ad naus) as a local fundraising arm. I felt a bit icky after mentioning it to someone via PM and then it really read poorly to me when I posted it as a concept here -- so that's out. What I likely will do is offer full BP credit for anyone who gives to the water charity if and when that's up. Something like a donation flag where Y% of Z goes to the charity but you get site credit for Z+(Value of Y)*2.

That's about as much overlap as I think I can stomach, and it's something that could be done for basically any charity (ideally local or personal to our community).
 
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