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MLB General Discussion (Official Thread)

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Jaxbuck said:
Fits with what I have been saying. Salary cap alone isn't enough. Too many teams at the bottom not even trying to be competitive, let alone win.

I'd put contraction back on the table in fantasy land even though I know they'd never do it. 100MM floor might cause it though.

If TB (for instance) can't generate enough interest/revenue to turn a profit with $100MM salary floor they may just fold it up.
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They're not losing money in reality. You see franchise values going anywhere but way up whenever they sell? These owners that claim to lose are using tricky accounting - including such hits as counting their players as assets and amortizing them as they age, and it is effectively as if the value of their players is always a huge declining asset - to claim they lose on paper when they make money in reality. Wealthy people love sports franchises because they're tax shelters that actually turn profits. I don't buy that a single MLB franchise actually loses money, and surely no owner wants to get out of the game, so there won't be any contraction.
 
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DZ83CK said:
They're not losing money in reality. You see franchise values going anywhere but way up whenever they sell? These owners that claim to lose are using tricky accounting - including such hits as counting their players as assets and amortizing them as they age, and it is effectively as if the value of their players is always a huge declining asset - to claim they lose on paper when they make money in reality. Wealthy people love sports franchises because they're tax shelters that actually turn profits. I don't buy that a single MLB franchise actually loses money, and surely no owner wants to get out of the game, so there won't be any contraction.
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In short, yes. I get all that but my thinking is they still, often, spend less than 100MM on payroll. So, if they have that forced expense maybe it trickles through and makes it a less attractive shield?

It's not a simple solution I know but it's a start (I think)
 
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Jaxbuck said:
In short, yes. I get all that but my thinking is they still, often, spend less than 100MM on payroll. So, if they have that forced expense maybe it trickles through and makes it a less attractive shield?

It's not a simple solution I know but it's a start (I think)
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If your tax shelter "loses" more money by virtue of a higher payroll, its not all bad. I think some big market teams are probably going to be against this plan as it would bring pressure to make them spend smarter and not help fund their competitors.
 
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DZ83CK said:
If your tax shelter "loses" more money by virtue of a higher payroll, its not all bad. I think some big market teams are probably going to be against this plan as it would bring pressure to make them spend smarter and not help fund their competitors.
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Most of the big market guys actually try to stay under the cap now as I understand it and yes, I said the forced expense part wrong. I meant to say that it might hurt enough at a cash flow level. I understand it's just more tax shelter on the P/L. I'm reaching but maybe some are so fucking cheap they don't want to even move the money around?

Basic point being, if it didn't hurt at all to spend money, they might do it. As is, they don't like to spend money so making them spend money has to be a step in the right direction (I hope).
 
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DZ83CK said:
Shohei Ohtani is having an incredible season. 40 home runs to go along with a great year starting with 8 wins & only 1 loss. Dude has AL MVP locked up with 6 weeks to go, yet he is on one of the shittiest teams in the AL. Its all incredible.
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If they can stay healthy next year, a line up of Trout, Ohtani, Rendon and Walsh has to be able to win. Right?
 
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Mike80 said:
:lol:

Not with that pitching staff they won't....honestly they are about 5 or 6 games better record-wise than they truly should be and I think that mostly has to do with how bad Texas is...
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For sure. The Angels have to remodel their pitching staff and replace a lot of guys. They have an uphill battle as Houston is way ahead of them right now, and Oakland is also more well-suited to contend for the playoffs because their pitching is better than LAA. For the near future, the Angels are basically looking at trying to beat out Seattle for 3rd place.
 
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DZ83CK said:
For sure. The Angels have to remodel their pitching staff and replace a lot of guys. They have an uphill battle as Houston is way ahead of them right now, and Oakland is also more well-suited to contend for the playoffs because their pitching is better than LAA. For the near future, the Angels are basically looking at trying to beat out Seattle for 3rd place.
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Yes, their pitching staff is horrible. But Cleveland only allowed them 2 runs in a 3-game sweep. That's not much offense either.
 
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