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Jagdaddy said:
Back issues is a key term. The Atlantic used to be what you describe. The last 2-3 years, it's become much more about looking at everything through an "inequality is everywhere" and it's the very biggest problem in the world" narrative. In fairness, what I describe seems to be more pervasive with respect to the online content (follow it one Facebook for a week to see what I mean) than the actual print magazine, which still has some more serious stuff like Fallows American Futures series and Coates' pieces. As far as its complaints about PC: That's the schizophrenia because it comes out occasionally and in contradiction to the constant drip, drip, drip, of the "inequality" meta-narrative.

Here's one sample of the silly crap I'm talking about: http://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...zed-american-kitchens/410536/?utm_source=SFFB

FWIW, I asked my wife, who's 5'0" if she'd prefer lower counters and she thought that our current ones were fine. I'm 6'3" and also manage, but I wouldn't mind them a tad higher.
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I guess I'm focusing on the print magazine, since that's what I read.

BTW, my wife is 4-10. Her problem isn't the height of the counters, it's the height of the upper cabinets!
 
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Mike80 said:
What's that new administration going to look like I wonder? If these protesters don't 100% agree with the choices (remember the "board of color" requirement :lol: ), I bet you this continues....spoiled brats are still going to act like spoiled brats, no matter how righteous the cause.
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Now, here's where I take exception with the kids....this "board of color" 'requirement'...this one sticks in my craw....

Lemme tell a story to frame my point here....

I served on the board of trustees of my church for about 7 years. In that 7 years, I helped oversee a few renovation phases at the church.
We had secured multiple bids, complete with portfolios of each vendor's prior work. We decided to run with a particular vendor.

We went before the congregation to tell them of our plans. Here's the first question we got:

"Have you given any Black contractors a chance?"

Me: :facepalm:

So we then had to tell the congregation the reasons why we couldn't work with a Black Contractor:

1. The ones we checked into were not licensed or bonded to do the work.
2. The ones we checked into were not prompt in returning answers to our RFPs.
3. The ones we checked into gave us the "Oh, I live in the Black Community, so the dollars stay there. Don't give those Blue Eyed fellas your money."
(No lie. I had two say the same thing to me personally - one of which is my uncle).
4. The ones we checked into didn't pay their sub contractors on time, so they couldn't secure good workers to do the job.
5. The ones we checked into did not have an ample portfolio for our liking.

The congregation was none too happy. They said, "Give a brother a chance!"

So we did. Twice.

One guy, we asked him to cut a tree down. He gave us a bid. We trusted him. He cuts down the tree, leaves the stump. When asked, he said, "Oh, I don't pull stumps." He died not soon after.
The other guy, we asked him to finish our vestibule area. He did. A year later, the stuff is peeling, and cracking along the drywall seams. He's no longer in business.

NOW.....

This whole "We are black so we have to give black folks a chance" BS doesn't fly with me. Didn't fly with my pops, either. He taught us to work for what we wanted to achieve. He also said that if we did so, we could achieve greater things because it would say more about US as individuals than our RACE as a whole.

So here I am. I sit here, blessed. College Educated. Married, with two kids. Own my own home. Been working the same job for 15 years. I have seniority at my job. People ask my opinion on things, not because of my skin, but because they know I know my s**t.

Oh, yes, I got help along the way by LIKE MINDED people of Color. Like my parents and some family members. My mentor at church (he's hilarious). My Pastors growing up.

I'm living the "American Dream." Look at that.

And I didn't need a "Board of Color" to help me. I didn't ask for a handout. I worked hard, and got to where I am through the Grace of God and ELBOW GREASE.


EDIT: Please note that the two contractors who died and are out of business are not dead and out of business because they didn't do the work we asked.

We ain't the Mafia, :biggrin:
 
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alexhortdog95 said:
(Wall of text that takes a long time to read but is well worth reading) ... I didn't need a "Board of Color" to help me. I didn't ask for a handout. I worked hard, and got to where I am through the Grace of God and ELBOW GREASE.
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Alex, for lasting change to occur in race relations in the USA, folks like you need to be more visible to White America. Sports (maybe especially football) have given whites the chance to know black folks (and vice versa) in a setting where both must have one another's back, and both have grown in acceptance of one another as a result. And Affirmative Action, flawed though it might be, has nonetheless given us white businesspeople the chance to see African-Americans thrive in the workplace beyond our prior expectations. Mirabile dictu!

Thanks for sharing. As a technical person, I've long been saddened that more blacks haven't entered engineering or science careers. Hope to see that change, because when it does, more of us will see the benefits of a diverse workforce that brings a variety of life experiences into the office, laboratory and factory.
 
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alexhortdog95 said:
EDIT: Please note that the two contractors who died and are out of business are not dead and out of business because they didn't do the work we asked.

We ain't the Mafia, :biggrin:
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Should have kept your mouth shut on this part. I was starting to think you were the baddest MF'er on this board, certainly badder that Clarity :)
 
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MaxBuck said:
Alex, for lasting change to occur in race relations in the USA, folks like you need to be more visible to White America. Sports (maybe especially football) have given whites the chance to know black folks (and vice versa) in a setting where both must have one another's back, and both have grown in acceptance of one another as a result. And Affirmative Action, flawed though it might be, has nonetheless given us white businesspeople the chance to see African-Americans thrive in the workplace beyond our prior expectations. Mirabile dictu!

Thanks for sharing. As a technical person, I've long been saddened that more blacks haven't entered engineering or science careers. Hope to see that change, because when it does, more of us will see the benefits of a diverse workforce that brings a variety of life experiences into the office, laboratory and factory.
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Funny thing is, Max - I'm the ONLY African-American male developer in my department. Have been for close to those 15 years. I've known of two other fellas, but they've moved on (still developers, though). Never had the time to worry about what they're doing, though. I have to concentrate on what I can control. It was up to them to put in the work on their own. The kids down in Columbia (and other places) will get zero sympathy from me when it comes to working hard.

As far as engineering, I think the wife and I may have that covered. Our 12 year old daughter wants to be an engineer. She's well on her way - she was part of a trophy winning all-girls robotics team last year in the 6th grade. She's on this year's team too.....with expectations.

The expectations?

Keep her GPA up (she's a 4.0 student).
Work hard in school.
Do your best, listen to your teachers.
If you don't try your hardest, you won't participate in robotics.

She was on the cusp of not being on the team this year (she hadn't turned in a couple of assignments).
But she pulled it through and got those grades back up.

I like to think (and am praying) that she'll be much more prepared for life than some of these other kids her age who look for a handout.
 
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alexhortdog95 said:
One guy, we asked him to cut a tree down. He gave us a bid. We trusted him. He cuts down the tree, leaves the stump. When asked, he said, "Oh, I don't pull stumps." He died not soon after.
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EDIT: Please note that the two contractors who died and are out of business are not dead and out of business because they didn't do the work we asked.

We ain't the Mafia, :biggrin:
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It was a great story till the end. DAMMIT!
 
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MaxBuck said:
Yeah, that's an excellent question. There's a line running somewhere between "an administration that prioritizes education but is aware of its obligation to acknowledge and meet minorities' needs" and "the inmates running the asylum." But I'm not sure the line can be recognized at the current time.
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Yeah - should be interesting who they name as an interim President. As we know, these searches take a while to find the best candidate.
 
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BayBuck said:
President Tom Rochon of Ithaca University... come on down! You're our next lucky contestant!

http://www.syracuse.com/state/index..._confidence_vote_after_alleged_racism_on.html
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Alma mater of Giorgio Tsoukalos.
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