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Mixed Martial Arts (Official Thread)

Thump;1174683; said:
So Kimbo's victory was against an undefeated defending champion?

Don't tarnish OSU's victory by comparing it to someone as comical as Kevin Ferguson.


Not at all... only in the sense of anyone that wants to argue it is in vain. Won't change anything.

Another thing.... when I text them, Kimbo couldn't handle The Grim Reaper.... the response was... "Well, he'll make at least 200K doing it". That's the mentality...pay day.
 
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I don't see any reason to rag on you or your boy.

That being said, this...

starBUCKS;1174690; said:
"Well, he'll make at least 200K doing it". That's the mentality...pay day.

...is why we'll never see Kimbo face anyone top notch. Gary Shaw sees Kimbo as his primary gravy train (for now) and it's going to be the same crap that's killed boxing.

Make sure your main man looks good for as long as possible to keep the dough rolling in...
 
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Muck;1174695; said:
I don't see any reason to rag on you or your boy.

That being said, this...



...is why we'll never see Kimbo face anyone top notch. Gary Shaw sees Kimbo as his primary gravy train (for now) and it's going to be the same crap that's killed boxing.

Make sure your main man looks good for as long as possible to keep the dough rolling in...
Brett Rogers will put an end to that if they fight next.

edit: if the fight isn't a work
 
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bigballin2987;1174559; said:
Lightweights - B.J. Penn, Kid Yamamoto, Gomi, Sean Sherk
Welterweight - George St. Pierre, Matt Hughes, Shinya Aoki
Middleweight - Anderson Silva, Dan Henderson, Yoshihiro Akiyama
Light Heavyweight - Quinton Jackson, Chuck Liddell, Wanderlei Silva
Heavyweight - Fedor Emilianenko a.k.a. the baddest mother fucker ever(other notable fighters - Randy Couture, Antonio Rodrigo Minotauro and Josh Barnett)

[sarcasm]You forgot Tim Silvia.[/sarcasm] I'm eager to see how he does against Fedor, but I'm not expecting a hell of a lot. Maybe it'll get the pump primed for a Couture-Emelianenko fight.

Also, Machida is being groomed as a light-heavyweight, and Forrest Griffin is at least a notable fighter. Still, not a bad list by any means.
 
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bigballin2987;1174703; said:
The whole production did, but the confrontation seemed legit.

Well fireworks & strippers aside. lol

I was waiting for Apollo Creed to come out dancing to James Brown.

FWIW I don't think the stoppage was fixed so much as CBS didn't want someone bleeding all over the place on live TV.
 
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Muck;1174743; said:
Well fireworks & strippers aside. lol

I was waiting for Apollo Creed to come out dancing to James Brown.

FWIW I don't think the stoppage was fixed so much as CBS didn't want someone bleeding all over the place on live TV.
disagree completely. That is exactly what CBS wanted, blood=a huge buzz for CBS. After 10 p.m. CBS doesn't give a shit they can do what they want without the threat of fines. I'm not going to bust starBucks chops about Kimbo anymore. If Kimbo's goal is to make a shit ton of money then he is working the system perfectly. He will be rich, he just won't have any respect in the MMA world if he is cool with that what do I care
 
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Of course I have been asked now already many times what I thought about Kimbo?s fight and performance.


First let me start by saying: ?It was his 4th fight?.


The fight was hyped up so big that Kimbo needed a perfect performance to live up to the hype. Thompson had the chance of his life time so he trained insanely hard. People expect him to go down but they forgot that he stopped Don Frey and Hidehiko Yoshida, he has a suspect jaw, but he came in to fight!
I think this fight is going to be very good for Kimbo in the future. When you start fighting and competing and you never went the distance in a fight you never know what ?getting really tired? means.


Ask any fighter on the planet if they fought more than 1 round when they fought their first couple of fights, how they felt. They will tell you that they thought they were in great shape but got tired really fast.
In training you can do pretty much anything to bring your heart rate up. Focus mitts, Thai pads, takedowns, running hills, explosive weight training etc. but NOTHING compares to getting tired in a fight, it?s just a whole different ball game.



But once you know this and experienced it one time, you know what to expect in the future.



That?s why I think that this fight was great for Kimbo, he really had to dig deep and boy did he do that. He was so tired at the end of round it was crazy, but he went out in round three and just started throwing bombs again, that says a lot to me about his will power, trust me, it has been tested here!

All the things that went wrong or he didn?t do, we DID train for, but like I said, training and fighting are two different things. I know him and when he sees the mistakes that he made and realizes that he probably would have won the fight when he would have closed his guard in round number two so that Thompson couldn?t have had escaped his guillotine choke, he?s not going to be happy and is going to make sure it won?t happen again, the same counts for the few little other mistakes he made, he will see them himself, and never make them again.


They say ?fatigue makes cowards out of man?, well, that wasn?t the case with Kimbo, he kept on fighting, his technique got less because of it and people will now judge him on that, but that?s OK, he will be a different kind of animal next time.


All and all it was a great night of fights, I think that everybody who tuned in kept watching, at least a high percentage and that the evening was a success. It had great ratings and from what I understand CBS is really happy.


And one more time to finish this story, although Kimbo was the main event and everybody see him as a main event so expect this ?perfect fighter?, this was only his fourth fight, he will tell you, and everybody else, that he?s still a little guy trying to learn the game. For somebody who did this only three times before, I say it was a great performance

Bas Rutten
 
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I don't think Thompson could have went on personally. I think everyone in the MMA world wouldn't have been happy with a ko in the first round or a triangle choke it wouldn't have mattered. Kimbo Slice imo is a guy who "mma enthusiast will never like. Most people are happy with matches that go to the ground and lay there for the entire time. I have seen MANY ufc fights that were called for a lot LESS.

I can remember seeing bisping win in his hometown (which was a total joke)..Seeing Liddel/ortiz stopped (ufc 66),and on and on.(didn't chuck get up and dispute the rampage stoppage?) The ufc is the king of the quick stop to save the fighters.The safer they are the more money they will make. Don't act like UFC isn't about money. Dana White is a joke.

I wouldn't debate that the kimbo fight should have went longer. I would have been happy to see the outcome. I am not a kimbo fan,but he catches a lot of flack just because the name "ufc" or "10 degree blackbelt" aren't tagged with his name.

He said he was going to go to the ground before the fight ever started to try to work on it. If he would have knocked him out in one punch it would have been "what a joke for a fight"..If he would have choked him out in the first round it would have been the same exact response. So exactly what could he have done to impress someone? He openly admitted that his ground game wasn't good. He kept moving the whole fight,and escaped numourous bad situations from a guy that is a veteran of the ground game,when kimbo had zero experience...
 
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powerlifter;1176355; said:
He kept moving the whole fight,and escaped numourous bad situations from a guy that is a veteran of the ground game,when kimbo had zero experience...

I've heard Thompson called many things, but a verteran of the ground game certainly isn't one of them. His ground game was just as bad as Kimbo's. You would have to go all the way back to Thompson's third professional fight to find a submission that didn't involve punches.
 
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bearonu;1176388; said:
I've heard Thompson called many things, but a verteran of the ground game certainly isn't one of them. His ground game was just as bad as Kimbo's. You would have to go all the way back to Thompson's third professional fight to find a submission that didn't involve punches.

5 years and 27 professional fights is a bit more ground expirience than 6 months and 3 fights.
 
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starBUCKS;1176393; said:
5 years and 27 professional fights is a bit more ground expirience than 6 months and 3 fights.

Bingo..No wins on the ground compared to any wins on the ground is still more then none.James Thompson has been in the ring with Dan Severn and Don Frye. I'm guessing he knows how to handle himself on the ground to some degree. He was a submission fighter when he first started fighting or am I wrong?

It is quite obvious that Kimbo is heavily flawed as a fighter,and is very unexperienced. Most people can't even admit the man has some serious KO power though. I enjoy watching fights with action. Regardless of ground or fist. People are going to watch Kimbo for his ko's period...IF you don't like it don't watch it.There's a reason why Tim sylvia can't sell a ticket (he will now thanks to fedor)..

Want to talk about money and elitexc?The ufc is FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR away from not being flawed as an organization. Ask Randy Couture about Dana White...."the best fighters in the world"....Why doesn't dana tell it like it is..."the best fighters in the world that will accept whatever he pays them...How about that big signing of Fedor that never happened?.Hard to argue that those guys aren't two of the best in the world..Yet they aren't fighting in the UFC,because dana won't come off that money. Wonder why Dana won't come out and say "i've held the sport back a few years myself,because I won't pay my fighters enough money to have the best compete against the best"..

There's a pay per view nearly every month in the ufc now. Watered down cards due to more pay per views. Now a card is built up around whatever big name fighter is fighting. However, most of the time the guy is fighting someone most people don't even know,and that's the pay per view. How many people do you know right now that will say "yea matt hughes is fighting on the next cards" yet they don't even know who he is fighting? Promoting fights with a great fighter is fine. Promoting fights with a great fighter who fights some guy who half the world has never heard of isn't a whole lot different,then advertising kimbo slice as the next big thing...Whatever brings the money will occur.
 
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