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I don't feel threatened, perhaps that's due to the great work of our soldiers now. I want punch someone unless i've or a friend or family member have been hit first, so I guess I just have that mentality for even a much 'larger fight'.
I wanted to join the marines when I was a senior in highschool, my brother was in the Army and finished serving his time in june of 2001, so the thoughts of joining the marines to 'one up him' so to speak were there. My brother enlisted in 1998 and avioded any sort of fighting, he lived in Korea for awhile when there was a possibility of something happening just for precaution but things stayed calm there. So I developed this warped sense of mind that the military would be nothing more then a large paycheck to stay in shape. Then something happened 9/11, I realized that I was a far bigger coward then I once thought, as I then started to look elsewhere at all of the scholorships I could achieve and choose that route instead.
I know had i signed up early like i was considering I would have stuck through with it, but to me the incentive just hasn't been bumped up high enough. It is near for sure that we will still be in Iraq for another 2 years AT LEAST, with combat situitions being likely. If I signed up for 25K and something came up like Iraq then i'd be able to go through with it, but to KNOW i'm going into a war yet only 15K more. it just doesn't seem right to me. Not to mention when I finished highschool they hadn't raised the wages up that high even, they were barely paying people more that KNEW THEY WOULD FIGHT then my current generation who viewed it as tough workouts for free education... it just doesn't seem right to me.
(Wow, I really need to get better at organizing my thoughts, i'll blame it on being 3 a.m. though :) )
God bless our troops!
I wanted to join the marines when I was a senior in highschool, my brother was in the Army and finished serving his time in june of 2001, so the thoughts of joining the marines to 'one up him' so to speak were there. My brother enlisted in 1998 and avioded any sort of fighting, he lived in Korea for awhile when there was a possibility of something happening just for precaution but things stayed calm there. So I developed this warped sense of mind that the military would be nothing more then a large paycheck to stay in shape. Then something happened 9/11, I realized that I was a far bigger coward then I once thought, as I then started to look elsewhere at all of the scholorships I could achieve and choose that route instead.
I know had i signed up early like i was considering I would have stuck through with it, but to me the incentive just hasn't been bumped up high enough. It is near for sure that we will still be in Iraq for another 2 years AT LEAST, with combat situitions being likely. If I signed up for 25K and something came up like Iraq then i'd be able to go through with it, but to KNOW i'm going into a war yet only 15K more. it just doesn't seem right to me. Not to mention when I finished highschool they hadn't raised the wages up that high even, they were barely paying people more that KNEW THEY WOULD FIGHT then my current generation who viewed it as tough workouts for free education... it just doesn't seem right to me.
(Wow, I really need to get better at organizing my thoughts, i'll blame it on being 3 a.m. though :) )
God bless our troops!
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OilerBuck
Sweet Crude
I guess I'll preface all of this by saying that my third point was that I don't trust the government. When I say that I am anti-war except in defense, I mean DIRECT defense. The government twists stories of WMDs, terror plots and evil empires to accomplish any agenda they have. By this country's definition of "defense", we were defending our country in Vietnam by not letting communism spread. In my mind, however, this doesn't qualify.ScarletInMyVeins said:
This is the best example I can give for my personal thoughts: If someone was breaking into my house and could harm my family, I'd shoot them down in a heartbeat. I refuse, however, to go across the street, break into someone elses house and kill them just because they have different ideals, better resources and they could someday pose a threat to me in the future. Remember that extremist groups actually attacked us and they are not retstricted to any single political border.
Even if I felt that the current war was handled 100% correctly...once you enlist, you don't choose which wars you fight in and which ones you don't. To tell you the truth, I'm not sure I would even have the balls to fight for a war that I was on board with. That is why I will never disrespect a soldier in any way with my protests. My issues are with the government, their lies and agendas. Soldiers have my utmost respect, because they are much bigger men than I am (literally and figuratively).
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Not sure what you mean? My brother finished with Army the year my senior year of high school. It is often said (around here at least) that the Marines are 'the toughest and hardest working' of the services. So with those thoughts in my head, it seemed as if that'd be a way to 'one up him' considering we still feel the need to be very competitive towads each other in near every aspect of life.KillSlashBurn said:
Edit: I'm assuming by the 'not following' remark that you were in one of the other services? My comment was in no way meant to be disrespectful to people who have served in the other services, seeing as to how my brother served in the Army and my father the Air Force, it'd make no sense for me to do so.
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Just for the hell of it, the way I would rank the services for how "hard core" or "bad ass" they are at least by reputation would go like this.
air force.
navy.
army.
army infantry.
marines.
army rangers.
marine recon.
army special forces.
navy seals.
delta force.
air force.
navy.
army.
army infantry.
marines.
army rangers.
marine recon.
army special forces.
navy seals.
delta force.
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GoBucks89
Straight Shooting
Absolutely right. Service is service, and that would constitute doing your part. I salute you.VprHis said:
As for why I haven't signed up:
1) I already served 6 years with honorable discharge in 1990
2) I'm 41 and they probably wouldn't want me
3) I have a wife and 5 children who would face hardship if I took a 75% pay cut to join
For what it's worth, young men and women from my church are signing up left and right. In fact, one of my best friends just took his son off to the airport this morning. He's on his way to Fort Dix for 2-3 months of training and then on to Iraq. I saluted him too.
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illinoisbuckeye
Heisman
does anyone else think that one reason we might be at war with the middle east is for oil? IMO even if this is not the case, the war is plain stupidScarletInMyVeins said:
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The KSB
4-4-11/11-5-11
VprHis said:
You’re kidding me right? You have been given the gift of a keen intellect. To not use it to its fullest potential would be irresponsible. I'm not really certain exactly what it is that you could do, but I'd wager you would be able to save more lives working in a research capacity than as a ground soldier.
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FKAGobucks877
The Most Power-Drunk
Wow, sounds like you've really been fed some propaganda...and you bought it, hook, line, and sinker. I'm not going to debate this, A. because this isn't the political board, and B. because nobody is going to change their mind here. The only thing I would say is this: You fight for your country. You fight for the freedom to make a post like this. You fight for a set of ideals that allows you the freedom to question those very ideals. I hate the whole "I don't agree with this war" bullshit. The U.S. armed forces fight for the U.S., and put politics by the wayside. People that question the government and our political system are the one that benefit the most from this, considering that in many other countries they would be killed. Makes no sense to me.OilerBuck said:
By the way, I attempted to sign up twice, but was refused both times due to the fact that I am apparently a huge health risk, given the fact that I have flat feet. That doesn't make any sense to me, either.
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DEBuckeye
It ain't easy, bein' cheesy.
I'm probably getting too old to be effective now (37) and I've got a wife & new baby, but I don't think I could do it anyway. I didn't want to enlist when I was younger, either. I dunno, call me a pansy if you want, but getting yelled at, living in fox holes, and getting shot at just don't appeal to me.
That said, I have extreme respect for anyone who is or was in the armed forces. Enlisting, especially now, is an extreme act of patriotism, very courageous, and potentially the ultimate sacrifice for your country and way of life. If it weren't for these people throughout history, we'd never have what we now have as a country.
I can remember when I graduated from high school and you'd hear about guys who were going into the service. It was almost looked down on, like 'Oh, you're too dumb to go to college, huh?'. I don't know if any of my classmates have been killed in the service (it wouldn't surprise me, unfortunately), but these guys that got grief for joining the service have certainly accomplished as much if not more than any of us who went to college. I worked hard in school, and work hard now on the job, but what I do every day doesn't put me at risk and it doesn't do anything to protect my country.
I just couldn't do it, I admit, but I am very thankful for those who can.
:cheers:
That said, I have extreme respect for anyone who is or was in the armed forces. Enlisting, especially now, is an extreme act of patriotism, very courageous, and potentially the ultimate sacrifice for your country and way of life. If it weren't for these people throughout history, we'd never have what we now have as a country.
I can remember when I graduated from high school and you'd hear about guys who were going into the service. It was almost looked down on, like 'Oh, you're too dumb to go to college, huh?'. I don't know if any of my classmates have been killed in the service (it wouldn't surprise me, unfortunately), but these guys that got grief for joining the service have certainly accomplished as much if not more than any of us who went to college. I worked hard in school, and work hard now on the job, but what I do every day doesn't put me at risk and it doesn't do anything to protect my country.
I just couldn't do it, I admit, but I am very thankful for those who can.
:cheers:
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Tibs... The war against terror is what I am talking about. I was under the impression that operation iraqi freedom was over (besides helping rebuild)... did you expect the US to just pull out after sadam was captured? That's like washing just the front bumper on your car and leaving the rest dirty.
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