Mike Vick (Pittsburgh Steelers)

[crazybuckfan40]

Good players find a way to overcome those obstacles.

True.

 

[jwinslow]

For the record, I'm not a Vick "lover". I just think it's comical how obsessed some of you are with your hatred of Vick. He's considered a super QB (ie top 10)? Really? When was the last time a talking head said this? Or are you still worked up over hype from a few years ago, and still taking up your pitchfork to prove otherwise?

Good players find a way to overcome those obstacles.

Carson Palmer was making a LOT of bad plays when his line wasn't blocking for him. But I guess Vick is to blame for the DL being in the backfield instantly all night long.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

the one thing i know about mick vick, is by now you know what you get. to me hes a gamebreaking player, who can run, shift directions, accelerate and throw the ball as hard as anyone in the league, with that you get sometimes questionable descions b/c of his ungodly athletic ability tangled with what at the college level i would call average accuracy. hes a walking highlight reel that often times has difficulty making the easy play. one thing is for sure, he can change games. you take the the good with the bad, but it makes me wonder if he can ever win the super bowl with that style (or ability)

 

[tibor75]

There is bad, and there is Michael Vick bad.

Vick went 12 for 31 for 130 yards. You usually don't see that kind of ineptitide in the NFL from a starting QB. That is backup QB bad. That is college football bad.

I always get a chuckle when one of Mr. Incognito's threads gets bumped. Love that picture, Guy.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

Peyton Manning 14-31 219 1 td; 0yds rushing; sacked 1 time
Michael Vick 12-31 137 0 td ; 57 yds rushing; sacked 5 times

So Vick accounted for 20 less yds than Peyton Manning. I don't see you harping on Manning.

Vick was under duress all game, his WR's were obviously not getting opened and Alge did drop the td pass, and they had a fg blocked. Was it a great game no. Did he give his team oppurtunities to make plays yes.

I also like JO's analysis, I think he hit the nail on the head. I have questions about him being able to be hot one week and cold the next, but I still don't think that all the bashing is warranted, especially since no one was there to praise him after the first two weeks. O yeah b/c it wasnt a national tv game.

 

[7 45 33 48]

Good players find a way to overcome those obstacles.

That's the thing with Vick and every QB. Dropped passed, missed blocks, etc. If he is that good, shouldn't he be able to overcome some of these? Most QB's play well in circumstances where everything right. If everything is good, the running game is on, Falcons get a nice lead, and the defense is playing well then Vick can run all over teams. I saw that in a Monday Night game last year. Teams have to be over aggressive, defensive ends come up the field, cornerbacks take more chances, the offense is simplified, and he can just do is thing. What QB couldn't play well in an environment like that? Well most of the time in the NFL that doesn't happen. Vick is forced to stay in the pocket. He can't win many games, especially with his arm, when these obstacles are in front him like some QB's. Somebody brings up Carson Palmer, I am by no means a Bengals fan but after getting sacked 6 times and Rudi only rushing for less than 50 yards, he was still able to make the big passes. Carson did have a 97 yard drive, he did make the passes when he had to, when everything didn't go right. Vick would have been forced to stay in the pocket and folded. That is something I haven't seen from Vick.

To me this is a put up or shut up year for him. A big excuse last year is that Vick didn't have much around, well the Falcons did a good job in the FA market and got some players. Really, I think not making a playoffs would be disappointment Falcon fans right? Especially in the weak NFC where right now the winner of the Seahawks-Bears next week will be the only team where you can say they have separated themselves from the rest. I mean shouldn't their be the improvements in the passing, especially in his 6th season in a simplified WCO? Because I didn't see it last night. His touch, his accuracy, his ability to read a defense on the run, I didn't see it last night. Are these improvements too much to ask of him? Or is he just a novelty QB now that will put on these runs and commentators will be all over him then all of the sudden he has a game like last night and everybody is quiet.

 

[jwinslow]

I also agree with JO's analysis.

big excuse last year is that Vick didn't have much around, well the Falcons did a good job in the FA market and got some players.

Seriously? Lelie is not a very good WR... Jenkins is still pretty average, and their best WR isn't even playing (Finneran).

 

[7 45 33 48]

I also agree with JO's analysis.Seriously? Lelie is not a very good WR... Jenkins is still pretty average, and their best WR isn't even playing (Finneran).

And he does have a top 5 TE, the best running game in the NFL, and a pretty good defense. But shouldn't Vick's superb running game overcome that? Falcon fans don't consider him much of a passing QB and bring up this 127 yard rushing performance. Well, are the receivers that big of deal when Vick is not much of a passer and he can't get them the ball?

 

[jwinslow]

And he does have a top 5 TE, the best running game in the NFL, and a pretty good defense. But shouldn't Vick's superb running game overcome that? Falcon fans don't consider him much of a passing QB and bring up this 127 yard rushing performance. Well, are the receivers that big of deal when Vick is not much of a passer and he can't get them the ball?

You claimed an excuse for vick last year was that he didn't have much around him... which was definitely true at WR (I think he has an even worse WR corps this year without finneran). So your refutation of this excuse is that b/c of defensive acquisitions, Vick now has plenty of help around him to improve his game?

 

[crazybuckfan40]

And he does have a top 5 TE, the best running game in the NFL, and a pretty good defense. But shouldn't Vick's superb running game overcome that? Falcon fans don't consider him much of a passing QB and bring up this 127 yard rushing performance. Well, are the receivers that big of deal when Vick is not much of a passer and he can't get them the ball?

Rewatch the game and look at the drops, lack of getting open and the pressure that was on Vick. I am not saying that Vick doesnt deserve blame, but last nite was not a good nite for the whole team, thus Vick looked bad. Give a lot of credit to NO for playing the best game they have played in their franchises history.

Football is a team game and you can't blame one guy.

 

[7 45 33 48]

You claimed an excuse for vick last year was that he didn't have much around him... which was definitely true at WR (I think he has an even worse WR corps this year without finneran). So your refutation of this excuse is that b/c of defensive acquisitions, Vick now has plenty of help around him to improve his game?

Didn't they try with Peerless Price and that didn't work out? They did sign Wayne Gandy who is a solid LT. Fred McCreary helps also. They have drafted wide receivers high in the draft. So it is not like the Falcons haven't gone out there and done something to help Vick. Wouldn't some of these accuistions like Abraham and others on defense help the team out overall? Not directly helping Vick but it surely would help somewhat for Vick, right? Can we wait see what happens to Jenkins and White before we can say that the receiving corp is nothing? All I was saying is really people like the Falcon fans, Theisman, Irvin, and Steve Young say take Vick for what he is a running QB that will never have high completiton % and he brings more than the running game. I agree but if he brings more than the running game than what is it? Because I am not seeing it. Do actually think this so called college offense will work over the long haul?

 

[jwinslow]

Looks like you're making my point (Theisman, Irvin, Young, etc)... who is calling Vick a great, top-10 QB? He definitely has his flaws, and I don't see/hear this endless, undeserved hype many of you seem to be complaining about.

 

[7 45 33 48]

Looks like you're making my point (Theisman, Irvin, Young, etc)... who is calling Vick a great, top-10 QB? He definitely has his flaws, and I don't see/hear this endless, undeserved hype many of you seem to be complaining about.

There are lot of people that sure act like he is a top 10 QB though. He does get rammed down everybodies throats. I see Vick has the most overhyped player in the league. Surely the last 6 years he has been getting the hype and definitely the first two games. I don't know if its the spectacular running plays people like and talk about but I don't see the hype matching his overall production and consistency. I don't know maybe me and you are watching different shows because I saw it all over ESPN, NBC, PTI, ATH, etc that Vick has changed, he has finally got it in this offense.

 

[jwinslow]

First of all, you watching ATH is your own fault. :p

Second of all, he certainly showed promise after the first two games against very good defenses. Otherwise all of you would have sprinted over to his thread like usual. Their offense made two talented defenses look like the Houston Texans, and Vick and the college O was the reason why.

Ben Rothlisberger has looked worse so far this year if you ask me... and he certainly gets smothered with high praise. He was throwing into triple & quadruple coverage on those INTs sunday. Good thing he doesn't have a laundry list of excuses like Vick :p

JO said it best. Vick is a gamebreaker with meager accuracy. IMO, he'll never be great nor terrible over an entire season... yet those seem to be the only options on Vick's report card.

 

[ScarletBlood31]

Seriously how many of you guys sat and watched the first 2 games. And if you want to say that Tampa and Carolina don't have good defenses I don't know what to say to you.

No one is mentioning that Vick had 127 yds rushing against the Bucs. His game is not all about passing.

One last time, it is not all about Stats with Vick....Plz get that thru your heads. If you tell me he was 12 for 32 or whatever he was I will say I dont care. He brings so many other things to the game.

Also his receivers werent getting open last nite and there were quite a few drops. One was a td pass.

Also him and the Falcons were up against the world last nite and after the blocked punt it was basically over.

No, actually, his game isn't at all about passing. Like mentioned before, the Bucs and Panthers are a combined 1-5. They are not good teams so don't think he did anything spectacular.

What exactly does he bring to the game, except maybe a few Sportscenter plays once in awhile? Vick does not have the intangibles or courage to lead his team from behind. You say he was "up against the world" last night. He was actually just up against the Saints, who he made look like a superbowl team. At the pro level you don't complain that everyone was rooting against you, you are supposed to be a professional and win at all costs. It looks like a joke when you try to say that Vick had all the odds against him, considering what actual great players have gone through to win games when they had to.

And please, please stop blaming everyone else on the team besides Vick. They have been molding that team for 6 years to fit around him, and the players around him are perfectly capable. It's obviously their fault that a pass gets away from them, when the last 5 were thrown 10 feet over their heads or to someone in the stands. Yeah, the Saints blocked a punt for a TD. Vick is lucky that his fumble the play before wasn't taken back for 6, and instead hit out of bounds.